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Choose children
Nov 12 2008, 11:34 PM EST
Children are a necessity for the preservation of any society. Society created marriage contracts and gave benefits to a man and woman because they had the _assumed potential_ to bear children who will preserve society. Marriage would ideally created a safe, loving environment in which children could be born. Of course there will be infertility, etc. that may prevent child-bearing, but those are unhappy exceptions and do not lessen marriage's definition. The assumed potential was still valid, just not realized. The current gay-marriage movement seeks to redefine marriage by eliminating the idea of children as an inherent part of the social contract. Since society cannot assume a gay couple will bear children, the "marriage" contract _only_ becomes a social recognition of two people’s love, but no children can be assumed of any couple if we are to be “equal.” The more our society diminishes the importance of having children (whether by excluding the assumption of childbearing from the definition of marriage, promoting "married" lifestyles without children, aborting them for mere convenience, etc.), then more and more people will choose not to have children as the world is already doing. This in turn will wreak havoc on societies, for shrinking populations cannot sustain economies, defend liberties, take care of the elderly, etc. I do not choose to "hate" or to exclude any one, but I must oppose the gay-marriage movement which, by definition, eliminates the assumption of children in a marriage contract. I choose children. 37 out of 178 found this valuable. Do you?
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1. RE: Choose children
Nov 12 2008, 11:41 PM EST
My husband and I (heterosexual couple) are childless by choice. So should WE not be allowed to get married? Should people who wanted to have children but found they can't and can't adopt have to divorce? Your argument holds no water. Plenty of same-sex couples want and have children. Invitro, sperm donors, surrogacy... try again...
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2. RE: Choose children
Nov 12 2008, 11:51 PM EST
Utter rubbish. Extending the right to marry to same-sex couples means there will be MORE families (both with and without children), which means a stronger and healthier society. It will strengthen marriage as an institution, not weaken it.
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3. RE: Choose children
Nov 12 2008, 11:59 PM EST
Also, isn't the world becoming vastly overpopulated anyway?
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4. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:02 AM EST
You mean you need to have an "importance" incentive attached to having children, otherwise opposite-sex couples will stop having children? YIKES, are you trying to scare us, too, with your scary-minded thoughts. This may be what you need to procreate with your wife, but it's not what all opposite-sex couples need. Love. Try this instead of fear to keep the species rollin'.
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5. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:03 AM EST
"Also, isn't the world becoming vastly overpopulated anyway?"Exactly... 11 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:07 AM EST
So people who are unwilling or unable (age, infertility, handicap, etc) shouldn't be able to be married?I see... 15 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:17 AM EST
Yeah, the "Choose children" thing isnt supportable. Its been so sad to watch those who did not support the ban behave so disgracefully and bitterly. The word bigot is being used quite a bit by these individuals towards those who supported the ban. So sad. That in and of itself is a form of bigotry. The assumption is that those who supported prop 8 hate or fear those who did not. This simply isnt true. It is just easier for one to assume that. It would be much harder to realize that those who supported the ban felt they were protecting a sacred rite and did not hate ban opponents. What recent events have revealed is that gay rights activists and supporters revealed a inherent bigotry towards those with a certain belief system. In other words, they revealed a contempt and, at the very least, a distaste for those who think differently than they do. That is intolerance. That is bigotry. That is not love. I have lived outside the country and in some third-world nations. Trust me, we all have it pretty good here. Especially those who choose to live alternative lifestyles. 8 out of 31 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:32 AM EST
http://www.wingspan.org/content/news_wingspan_details.php?story_id=573This is information about Families You Know. 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:50 AM EST
Anger is a normal human reaction to being wronged. That isn't bigotry. The distaste isn't for those who think differently. It's for those forcing their beliefs on others. Consider what you would do if someone tried to rip your marriage apart. This isn't the first time/place people have been asked to vote on their neighbors rights without ever getting to know them. Many are just plain scared and uninformed. That is fact. You can believe in whatever you like. What you should not do is make laws to protect your own beliefs at the destruction of others. That is bigotry. The vote was about removing an existing right, not about opposing anyone's sacred belief. It might do you some good to learn the difference between these, and to stop getting them confused to the point of denying, and now trying to shame, others of their rights in the name of "protecting" your own. Particularly when it doesn't have any impact on yours. 25 out of 29 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:51 AM EST
Are you kidding? What do you say to my Aunt and Uncle married for 50 years and no children.
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11. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:54 AM EST
" What recent events have revealed is that gay rights activists and supporters revealed a inherent bigotry towards those with a certain belief system."No. They are protesting those who would deny them their civil rights. The Mormon Church and any other church are free to believe whatever they want to believe. But when they cross the line between church and state and work long and hard to deny a whole group of people their basic civil rights, those people have the right to protest against them and their actions. It is the Mormon Church and its members who have shown contempt for gay people. It is the Mormon Church and its members who are intolerant. It is the Mormon Church and its members who are bigoted. That is not love. And you may have it "pretty good" here, but you have your civil rights. Those the Bush Administration hasn't taken away anyway. That may be good enough for you, but it isn't going to be good enough for me until EVERYONE is this country has the same civil rights. 21 out of 27 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 2:57 AM EST
you're just simply wrong. But if you feel safer living in your skewed reality more power to you.
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13. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 3:02 AM EST
"Anger is a normal human reaction to being wronged. That isn't bigotry. The distaste isn't for those who think differently. It's for those forcing their beliefs on others.So what is happening now? Prop 8 protesters are now opposing other's sacred beliefs. That is exactly what is happening. Anger clouds reasoning, my friend. 3 out of 21 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 10:34 AM EST
So what is happening now? Prop 8 protesters are now opposing other's sacred beliefs. That is exactly what is happening. Anger clouds reasoning, my friend. Are Prop8 protesters legislating a bill to stop you from attending the church of your choice? Are Prop8 protesters legislating a bill that's forces you to change your scriptures to say gay marriage is right? You have the right to believe whatever you want, heck, the KKK is still alive and kicking and the Civil Rights movement happened almost 40 years ago. You and your church can BELIEVE whatever you want about gay people. You just can't enshrine those beliefs into law. 25 out of 27 found this valuable. Do you? |
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15. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 11:05 AM EST
Anonymous, Do you even know a gay person? You are completely uninformed. Many of us absolutely want children and are having them. My same-sex partner and I have been together 12 years. In August our beautiful baby daughter was born. We used an egg donor and a gestational carrier, 2 amazing compassionate, beautiful women, to hel us. Our daughter is the most wonderful, incredible, phenomenal part of our lives. Our state won't let us have any contract together resembling a marriage (no domestic partnership or civil union) and will not let the non-biological one of us adopt our own daughter. We moved temporarily to Connecticut so she would be born there and both of our names could be on the birth certificate to give her the protection of having two parents. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers to give us legal rights and protections similar to marriage, but still don't have them all. You don't know what you are talking about. We belong to a large organization in Houston of similar same-sex families and our numbers are growing.
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16. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 11:07 AM EST
If two other people get married change your view of marriage, then you have serious self-esteem issues. Why should one house effect the other? People will not stop having children, just because homosexuals are allowed to marry. I don't understand why that would do anything?People also forget that this country was created by protesting the beliefs of a church, hence the first amendment and the Bill of Rights. Protesting is in every American's blood. 14 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 11:09 AM EST
This is a joke right? I mean really this person believes gving equality to all people will make everyone gay and that will be the end of humans. I mean come on get real.
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18. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 11:21 AM EST
This IS about children! The equality of ALL children! Those that are here now and those yet to be born. To be free to live and love whom they want. The rest of you can stick that up your tailpipes.
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19. RE: Choose children
Nov 13 2008, 12:52 PM EST
China, the most populous country in the world doesn't seem to have this problem. Taoism and Buddhism accept homosexuality. If your not going to support my family then why should I pay more taxes that put your kids in school, repair the roads that hockey moms tear up and kids that you raised that are already having kids. GIVE US OUR EQUAL RIGHTS!
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