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YAY
Nov 15 2008, 8:16 PM EST
ALL my life, I've feltfear and terror and shyness and a lack of worth, having grown up knowing that I was the object of scorn and ridicule simply for having feelings and ideas that weren't "mainstream" or ?"acceptable" or whatever. I was laughed at , beaten up, berated, put down, left out And essentially marginalized ALL MY ADULT life.... I've never known what it must feel like to actually be "free" to do as I pleased or to walk about feeling safe and secure. I am NOT a "homeowner" I am decidedly single, and I have no investments. What, I ask, about ME???? Do I not have rights??? Am I not an American??? I am WEARY of being stomped on by the dominant culture. Of being dismissed and left out. NO MORE!!!! Today I know that there a re MILLIONS like me. We are a sleeping GIANT, that is rumbling awake
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AMANWITHANEDGE |
1. RE: YAY
Nov 15 2008, 10:26 PM EST
GAIN COLORSI deftly do the jobs that are lined up only in front of me with a friend named "coffee" beside me The mindless job that I did goes around and around this world and makes the laughing voice of people I've never met yet. Such a tiny motivation in life adds colors, to daily life, to my black-and-white every day, just few but red, yellow, green. I'm so far behind the ideal. Even if I reach out my hands, they can't touch it. And the tiny motivation in life sometimes seems so stupid. Then I hurry up and go look for colors, even tho it's deblurring, gold, silver, purple "I'm home, Muñeco" "Welcome home" "I'm home" "Welcome home, Muñeco" The things that we take for granted go around and around this world and make the laughing voice of people we don't know. Such a tiny motivation in life adds colors to daily life, to my black-and-white every day, more water color, orange The things that we take for granted go around and around this world and now I'll be able to put a smile on someone in front of me. Such a certain motivation in life adds colors, to daily life, to my black-and-white every day, making my cheeks turn into warm pink I'm going to gain more colors, beautiful colors 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: YAY
Nov 15 2008, 11:18 PM EST
Here in Santa Rosa, CA we had a fine turnout... VERY upbeat and festive.. the local newspaper estimated 1,700.. I guess that seems about right... we had a diverse vrowd; young &old, gay and straight... hippies and alternatives and farmers and just plain folks too... a local marching band ( The Hubbub Club) showed up playing second line rythyms and that totally got people fired up.. it was like having the cavalry come to the rescue, or the Elves arriving at Helms Deep! Also, we had a bunch of very cool local steam punk / Burning Man people (Krank, Boom,Clank) show up with the Hennepin Crawler and were immensely glad of THEIR support. People were great and it was peaceful and courteous, as well as strong.
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3. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 7:33 AM EST
I cried and cried the day after gay marriage was defeated.I don't even care about getting married.... or so I thought. But something about GAY marriage always brought a tear to my eye. This is a VERY emothional thing. It cuts to the very heart of what it means to be a human being. We came into this world as the product of a marriage, so marriage does mean something. Who are we? Why are we different? Why can't we get married? Well, until recently we COULD get married in California. Then they took it away from us..... Or did they? I re-worded this song that Frank Sinatra used to sing: "They can't take that away from me". Maybe you remember the tune? The way we shared our rings... The way we vowed to be... The way we promised things.... No, no, they can't take that away from me. The way we walked the aisle... The way 2 men should be... The way we kissed and smiled... No, no they can't take that away from me. The way we made those vows For all the WORLD TO SEE The way we FACED THE CROWD, No, no, they can't take that away from me! 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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pantarkes |
4. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 1:34 PM EST
Thanks, AMANWITHANEDGE and kimpage.I wrote this to someone last night (I will publish it in tow parts, since it's big) hopefully it may resonate or you'll relaste with at least some of it... I think most of us will: Dear Joel, while I appreciate that you may have been trying to introduce some much needed humor (when is it NOT needed, after all?) into what has become a very contentious debate, I don't see MY life, happiness and freedom as matters for ridicule. I've been shunted aside virtually my ENTIRE life and disregarded, berated, joked about, beaten up, spat upon, dismissed, and insulted, denied jobs, membership in groups and organizations, and essentially either LEFT out or denied a place in the American dialog or a seat at the table. And I'm TIRED of it, and it's over. There are literally MILLIONS of Americans just like me, and I suspect we ALL feel pretty much the same. Over and done with it. To have discrimination and bigotry BUILT into the "constitution" flies in the face of anything remotely regarded as "American" or "Democratic" and essentially makes a mockery of it all. When people start to see that discrimination or exclusion of ANY group or class of people is unacceptable (with the perhaps obvious exception of loan sharks, moneylenders, greedy corporate barons and outright criminals) then we'll all be far better off. When you mistreat one person you mistreat ALL of us, including yourSELF. Some people proclaim "God's natural order" - well, I think God is a fantasy concocted by fearful and bigoted men in robes, but in any case, if THATS the issue, well we ALL probably broke that "natural order" eons ago when we deigned to come down out of the trees and walk upright. We CERTAINLY do it now, with chemistry and technology, by playing God whilst devastating and polluting the entire planet. - 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 1:37 PM EST
(Part two) :so that effectively evaporates that whole rationale. Color it any way you want it... it's still the same old fear, paranoia and discrimination, pure and simple. Thankfully many people already SEE this and understand it, and we're moving on ahead. The luddites can stay behind wringing their hands if they wish... some us are fed up with hatred and loathing and wars and false enemies and see that we are ALL in this TOGETHER, and recognize that the mandate for "change" was NOT limited to the last election, or to politics or business, but rather to society, humanity and mankind as a WHOLE. It's all one world now, and we have to banish in tolerance and hatred, fear and scapegoating. We;'re all passengers on the SAME boat.. so if ONE dies or gets sick we ALL do. hence, it's in everyones best interest to love their neighbors and cooperate with them, ratrher than hiding off in some exclusive compound (or out of state or from some rural community) and making erronius (and pathetic) fear based proclamations. What you do and how you treat other people directly affects YOU.... when you cast blame or hate upon someone ELSE the same can be done to YOU. You may as well be talking into a mirror. The time to "go forth and multiply passed ages ago! We are now in overshoot. Therefore the whole marriage/"natural order" thing is malarkey. In any case, those of us who "get it" are going ahead - whatever proclamations or judgments or laws people want to pass is up to them. I'm not going to stop being me, doing what I do, and living as I see fit, nor are "we" going away. "In ecology, overshoot occurs when a population exceeds the long term carrying capacity of its environment. The consequence of overshoot is called a crash or die-off" So really, producing more children is contraindicated ANYWAY. " 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 1:48 PM EST
LOL - yeah, I've seen that! Isn't it a beaut? "EEEEK!!!! bar the door and shutter the windows, ma! They's a comin!" LMAO (laughing my a** off).Don't they see that we don't FALL for the old paranoia shtick anymore? it was "Don't GO! Thar be monsters" or "You'll fall off the face of the earth!" and then "they're commies!" or God God man.. they're Injuns!" or, highlanders or aliens or outsiders or Nigras...WHATEVER. Sorry... "BOO" ain't cuttin' it any more. Folks - KIDS get it.... wake up and smell the coffee!. it's a whole new world and a new paradigm - get with it or get lost.. we're all in this TOGETHER, like it or not. That movie reminds me so much of Reefer Madness, lol - "BOO!" BOO! BOO! BOO! ... hey... uh.. whuts wrong? How come you ain't jumpin' no more?" (bully turns tail and runs away ... fin) 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 1:51 PM EST
Homosexuals can marry according to the definition of marriage. Absolute equal opportunity for all individuals, no discrimination.Homosexuals choose not get married according to the definition of marriage. Should the definition be widened to include any two consentual partners, howa bout incestual relationship, father/daughter, or under-aged consentual relationships, such as homosexual teacher and his student? There must be boundaries, and homsexuality is definitely outside the boundary of marriage, stop your crying. 0 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 2:02 PM EST
LGBT partners are consenting adults IN LOVE. And you're saying they shouldn't be bound together JUST because of their genitalia?Also: Homosexuals are NOT pedophiles; you lack basic understanding of psychology. Get your facts straight. The focus of this movement is LGBT Rights, not incestuous relationships. (No, "incestual" is NOT a word.) 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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10. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 3:16 PM EST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ-u17_VvXg&feature=related
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11. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 3:20 PM EST
the above is my response to the ridiculous and inflammatory badinage. Sow your malcontent elsewhere. Enjoy the show.
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12. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 3:26 PM EST
"the above is my response to the ridiculous and inflammatory badinage. Sow your malcontent elsewhere. Enjoy the show."I thought that video was funny, actually. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 4:14 PM EST
right on buddy! that's what this is about. they have awoken a sleeping giant. few cared when it was about marriage...until we realized that marriage is about a young men and women across this country being raised in a society that lies to them that the worst thing that could ever happen to you is to turn out gay. It's a lie to keep us in a personal prison and to maintain the social stigma of being something they loathe and fear but hardly understand. the courts must stand up for us now so that we can have a president-elect in 40 years too!
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14. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 8:08 PM EST
I thought it was hilarious, which is actually why I posted it.. I was having a really hard time remembering "Snooper & Blabber" - all I could think of was the voice, saying "Awww, Geez...C'mon, Schnoop!" and I had to scour around for a while before I re-discovered it. And I have to say, it is WAY funnier to me NOW than it ever was when I was a kid... it had me in STITCHES!!! YAY! :) And yeah.. i agree with you -this is about far more than simply "marriage".. heck, I don't even have any viable prospects for marriage! But it IS about simple decency and fairness and that's something we canmot have enough of . Mankind has a REALLY dismal history ( uh - oh... "Armadillo... mankind NEEDS you!" ahem - sorry) of scapegoating and war.... pretty sad for the "most intelligent species" I mean, I could go on and on and on.... white men annihilating the Indians, plying them with liquor and giving them, smallpox infested blankets, killing, raping, plundering, robbing... slavery.... cheating, lying, and stomping all over people to enrich themselves. It's pretty sobering, as well as GROSS. There are some of us who know there is a better way. No, this is not about gay marriage at all, really... that's just one touchstone of something far bigger and much more profound . peace, and watch some more cartoons... they really are awesome *grin*
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15. RE: YAY
Nov 16 2008, 10:22 PM EST
This sleeping giant also has a large portion of "quiet family" gays in churches. We may be shy and introverted, we may just want to live and let live, but we are waking up! My wife and I were married at the Unitarian church in San Francisco when it looked like Prop 8 was going to pass, and we will still have our originally planned wedding at a Unitarian church in Sonoma County next year. Meanwhile we are marching, we are organizing, and WE ARE NOT ALONE! Our churches are our allies, we must make them visible!
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16. RE: YAY
Dec 6 2008, 12:38 PM EST
I was watching television this morning and they had one of those "Awww" human interest clips about a cute little girl who wished that her "daddy" would come home, and then he DID and it WAS totally cute. But something strange happened which was along WITH the happiness and the "aww" and "that's so wonderful" feelings, a big wave of envy came up, followed by ANGER and resentment. I don't LIKE that anger stuff, and I try to suppress it, I really do - but it's definitely there, and I'll tell you why : it's not that I deeply desire to have children (If i could afford to, I suppose I could work it out either by a surrogate or adoption or what have you) but rather that I see a happy well adjusted "family" who has grown up WITHOUT the hatred, contempt, and loathing and the teasing and ridicule and beatings and ostracism and FEAR (due to society's attitude) that I endured and CONTINUE to live with every single day. How NICE it must be to be able to feel like an "American"; like a real full fledged "member" of society; to walk with my head held high and be proud. How NICE that must be. And luxurious! But do "they" even appreciate it? Are "they" even AWARE? No - and they can't be and they never WILL, because they haven't had to grow up tormented abused and harassed their entire lives! And I don't think ANYONE "should" be.... I wouldn't wish it on anyone, truly.Because it's largely destroyed my life...what's it LIKE to have self esteem and feel happy and accepted and proud? I don't really know - at least not the way "they" must feel2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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17. RE: YAY
Dec 6 2008, 12:53 PM EST
Anyway, I waver between anger and then simply awe and wonder, I guess - I WONDER what it must be LIKE to be able to just live and NOT be the brunt of jokes and contempt and scorn. I WONDER "wow! What if I had grown up being allowed to feel okay, and loved and accepted"? what IF? I bet I would be a LOT wealthier (obviously no guarantees, but very likely); I bet I would be much better off in so MANY ways.. healthier, stronger, happier... it must be nice to live in a nurturing environment and to actually THRIVE. And you see, THAT specifically is what people who are members of the dominant culture often don't appreciate or comprehend - nor CAN they (unless they have exceptional intelligence and empathy) just like Healthy people don't know what they've got until they get taken down and hospitalized for a while, or "normal" people can't know what it's like to be in a wheelchair or to be blind.... Anyway, it didn't happen in MY time - I can't regain a wrecked childhood now... but I'm seriously HOPING that we can change society and that FUTURE generations won't have to grow up as I did and be made to feel as I did. Incidentally, one of the most OUTRAGEOUS things I see is how LGBT people are BLAMED for having high rates of suicide, depression and drug and alcohol abuse! LOL! they actually USE that as an argument why we shouldn't be allowed to adopt! Society CAUSES all this, and then they have the audacity to BLAME us for THEIR treatment of us! Classic signs of an abusive spouse or tyrant - it's "our fault" Talk about twisted..... (not to MENTION "immoral"!) Yeah..... I TRY to be nice and I TRY hard not to give in to hate (as Obi Wan always cautions Luke), but man, is it tough sometimes.
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18. RE: YAY
Dec 19 2008, 6:21 PM EST
Here is a quote I found, attributed to pastor Rick Warren : "There is no reason to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population.” I beg to differ. We live on a planet with distinct boundaries and a defined amount of available resources. While it MAY at one time, many thousands of years ago, have been practical, possible and maybe even appropriate at one time to "go forth and multiply", that time has most definitely PASSED. We are in the throes of "overshoot". We are like a colony of bacteria which has blossomed and flourished and consumed all of our agar. We have extracted and consumed practically all the resources of the planet, killed of many of it's creatures, overfished it's seas, polluted it's land, skies and water, and trampled, developed and built everywhere. We are running out of TIME, available SPACE and resources, while we continue to suffer blatant effects of excessive and continual human breeding : disease, pollution, overcrowding (think of the traffic commute at rush hour on the Bay Bridge), crime, squabbling, and on and on and on. WHY would you think it intelligent, realistic or NECESSARY to go ON mating in perpetuity??? it's patently insane. No... I believe there actually is a REASON - and a very sensible one, for an increase of and really support of, homosexuality... we need to limit our expansion and our population. Pure and simple. In any event fie on your foolish statement, pastor Warren - there IS INDEED a compelling, intelligent and very NECESSARY "reason" to change the universal, historical definition of marriage to appease 2 percent of our population : if we don't we're doomesd. There is no more room at the Inn 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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19. RE: YAY
Dec 31 2008, 12:59 AM EST
To: homosexuallove, Homosexuals DO NOT ! choose to NOT get married according to the deffinition of marriage.I don't know who you are but you need to UNDERSTAND that homosexuality IS NOT a choice!!!!!!!!!!!! If you were gay you would not say something so completety IGNORANT.Get over the fact that we do NOT CHOOSE anything accept to be treated EQUAL under the law.Sostop your crying! There is nothing incestual about gay love!!! Come out of the dark ages and do some research and open your DARK mind.
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