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InclineVillager
InclineVillager
LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Nov 16 2008, 10:06 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2008, 10:06 PM EST
I work in HIV and AIDS. Faith can be resource, support for SOME. This is a list of lgbt groups (support or gay friendly) within each denomination listed. Let's start by contacting them and starting a dialogue and inviting them. Leaders in each city find your local chapter if you have one. Stop the h8 against the religious NOW. Start with Stopping the anti Mormon H8. There are gay mormon chapters in SF and LA.
(Mormon) www.affirmation.org www.ldsfamilyfellowship.org (American Baptists) www.rainbowbaptists.org; www.wabaptists.org (Buddhism) www.gaybuddhist.org ( Disciples of Christ-Christian ) www.gladalliance.org; (Episcopal USA) www.integrityusa.org; (Evangelical Lutheran) www.goodsoil.org; www.lcna.org (Hinduism) www.glava108.org; (Islam)www.al-fatiha.org; (Judaism Conservative, Orthodox or Reformed) www.glbtjews.org (Methodist United) www.rmnetwork.org (Metropolitan Community- the whole church is welcoming and supports marriage of LGBT people) (Presbyterian Church USA) www.mlp.org; (Roman Catholic) www.dignityusa.org; (Seventh Day Adventist) www.sdakinship.org; (Unitarian Universaliist - Accepts LGBT people and performs marriages where legal. www.uua.org) (United Church of Christ- welcome LGBT people supports equal marriage, some bless gay marriages. www.ucccoalition.org; (Evangelicals) www.ecwr.org also check out www.religioustolerance.org Let's start working with those groups who voted against us, find the people who didn't and have them work within their groups to change them from the inside.
Thanks for listening. These groups are our friends. PS. also check out the podcast "Oh God I'm Gay" on Itunes. Done by an African American Lesbian where she talks to people on the intersection between sexuality and spirituality. Example: a Transgender Methodist Pastor. or www.uusf.org podcast done by a Gay Reverand of a UU church. "What is Marriage For"
Hugs River
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empath2008
empath2008
1. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Nov 16 2008, 10:18 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2008, 10:18 PM EST
I think this is very important. I would also add the importance of strengthening our relationships with faith communities that support us AND trying to build some bridges with those who currently oppose our marriage rights, as well. In Arizona, we are going to be trying to engage the faith community and it would be great to have some ideas posted here about how to do that on a practical level! 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

Hothulagurlzzz
2. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Nov 16 2008, 10:23 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2008, 10:23 PM EST
I require that we compile a long list of all the major and minor religious denominations throughout America.

But how are we going to find all of them? There is so many.

I believe if we can engage all of the religious denominations - from Christians, to Jews, to Muslims, to Buddhists, to Hindus - and many sub-categories from within, I think we can do this!

Anyone care to help me and others here??? THANK YOU!
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Knottrek
3. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Nov 16 2008, 10:34 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 16 2008, 10:34 PM EST
Just a quick note that Unitarian Universalist churches will also perform gay weddings even where they aren't legal. The minister (Rev. Greg Stewart) mentioned in the podcasts from www.uusf.org is the one who married my wife and I. Of course, it was legal then... but ministers in other states will do it, too.

Building bridges to those religious groups who oppose our marriage rights is greatly facilitated by working through a group who supports them. Our UU church participates in many interfaith events, which can be an excellent opportunity to reach out to a church that may not "know" any gays.
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anitadana
anitadana
4. RE: LGBT Friendly Religious Communities
Nov 18 2008, 9:29 PM EST | Post edited: Nov 18 2008, 9:29 PM EST
I also have a list of all the links to the major Christian denominations as well as to the GLBTQ coalitions of those denominations at my website at www.sisterfriends-together.org. As a gay woman and ordained clergy, it seemed to me that we failed miserably to address religion in the debate on Prop 8. While we realize Prop 8 was concerned with civil marriage as a fundamental right to all citizens, within religious communities they really are unable to separate the civil right from the religious rite since the majority of Christians are married by clergy in churches. I hope in the future more religious voices from every faith tradition step up to deal directly with the concerns related to marriage, family, etc. 9  out of 9 found this valuable. Do you?    

Knottrek
5. RE: LGBT Friendly Religious Communities
Jan 4 2009, 11:47 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 4 2009, 11:47 PM EST
Take a look at all the denominations that are fighting FOR us in the California court. And read the entire 50 page court document. These religious groups are bustin' heinie on our behalf, shouldn't we let them know about protests and demonstrations they can participate in? www.calchurches.org/marriage/ 8  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    
Treknott
Treknott
6. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 9:48 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 9:48 AM EST
"I require that we compile a long list of all the major and minor religious denominations throughout America.

But how are we going to find all of them? There is so many. "
I think most inclusive religious communities are pretty much aware of each other and may be somewhat networked at least within their own denomination.

I don't think it's so much required that we list them all but do feel that they should be invited to attend local JTI events. So wherever/whenever there is a local JTI event we should reach out to inclusive churches, send a letter, call or maybe just maybe show up and invite the congregation and minister/cleric/rabbi etc.


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jaysays
jaysays
7. RE: LGBT Friendly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 1:00 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 1:00 PM EST
"I work in HIV and AIDS. Faith can be resource, support for SOME. This is a list of lgbt groups (support or gay friendly) within each denomination listed. Let's start by contacting them and starting a dialogue and inviting them. Leaders in each city find your local chapter if you have one. Stop the h8 against the religious NOW. Start with Stopping the anti Mormon H8. There are gay mormon chapters in SF and LA.
(Mormon) www.affirmation.org www.ldsfamilyfellowship.org (American Baptists) www.rainbowbaptists.org; www.wabaptists.org (Buddhism) www.gaybuddhist.org ( Disciples of Christ-Christian ) www.gladalliance.org; (Episcopal USA) www.integrityusa.org; (Evangelical Lutheran) www.goodsoil.org; www.lcna.org (Hinduism) www.glava108.org; (Islam)www.al-fatiha.org; (Judaism Conservative, Orthodox or Reformed) www.glbtjews.org (Methodist United) www.rmnetwork.org (Metropolitan Community- the whole church is welcoming and supports marriage of LGBT people) (Presbyterian Church USA) www.mlp.org; (Roman Catholic) www.dignityusa.org; (Seventh Day Adventist) www.sdakinship.org; (Unitarian Universaliist - Accepts LGBT people and performs marriages where legal. www.uua.org) (United Church of Christ- welcome LGBT people supports equal marriage, some bless gay marriages. www.ucccoalition.org; (Evangelicals) www.ecwr.org also check out www.religioustolerance.org Let's start working with those groups who voted against us, find the people who didn't and have them work within their groups to change them from the inside.
Thanks for listening. These groups are our friends. PS. also check out the podcast "Oh God I'm Gay" on Itunes. Done by an African American Lesbian where she talks to people on the intersection between sexuality and spirituality. Example: a Transgender Methodist Pastor. or www.uusf.org podcast done by a Gay Reverand of a UU church. "What is Marriage For"
Hugs River "
Thanks for the links to the podcasts, I'm excited to listen to them. I found this one interesting as well: GayAgenda.com speaks with OUT Mormon Serena - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/James-Hipps/page/1. That interview made me seriously consider issues regarding gay Mormon LGBT people which I hadn't previously considered. There's also an interesting documentary on the Documentary Channel titled "Straight Acting" from 2006 where a Gay Mormon is struggling with church and sexuality through ---- oddly enough ---- Rugby. Personally, I got kinda bored when the sports talk got to be too much.

I do think religious hate is an improper and generalized term for what is happening. It's regrettable that when a dialogue about religion takes place, there isn't a term in place for exclusionary religions and thus all churches and religions are thus associated with the conversation, regardless of their friendliness or acceptance or whatever we want to call it toward LGBT people. A nice simple term that doesn't require a five page disclaimer...

But by ignoring the intolerance associated with evangelical and extreme/radical/whatever you want to call them religious people, we ignore the source of many of the problems - including the use of religion to further abuse LGBT youth by comments (often by their parents) such as: You are going to hell. God doesn't love homosexuals. You can't be gay and get to heaven.... etc... etc...

How do we create a dialogue about this without sounding like "religious hate" - even LGBT people think we are "hating" on religion? What should we do? What is your solution so it is not perceived as religious hate? How do we avoid our allies getting hit with "friendly-fire"?
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ashenlady84
ashenlady84
8. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 2:27 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 2:27 PM EST
"I require that we compile a long list of all the major and minor religious denominations throughout America.

But how are we going to find all of them? There is so many.

I believe if we can engage all of the religious denominations - from Christians, to Jews, to Muslims, to Buddhists, to Hindus - and many sub-categories from within, I think we can do this!

Anyone care to help me and others here??? THANK YOU!"
If we start with this list and we get involved with these religious communities in a big way it will get the attention of other gay friendly organizations and I believe they will make themselves known to us. But people in our community have to be willing to get involved in this way. Even Atheists and Agnostics need to be in on it. Go to churches that except you and wear your white ribbons. Speak candidly, but without venom or anger with the church members after services over coffee and doughnuts. We can get more people directly involved by doing things like this. Not everything has to be banners and chanting. Little things over time have a habit of becoming big things. We are building a snowman, and the only way to make a really great snowman is to make it layer by layer, slowly but surely. Rolling each snowball in turn until it is big enough to make a snowman whole.
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jaysays
jaysays
9. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 6:31 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 6:31 PM EST
"If we start with this list and we get involved with these religious communities in a big way it will get the attention of other gay friendly organizations and I believe they will make themselves known to us. But people in our community have to be willing to get involved in this way. Even Atheists and Agnostics need to be in on it. Go to churches that except you and wear your white ribbons. Speak candidly, but without venom or anger with the church members after services over coffee and doughnuts. We can get more people directly involved by doing things like this. Not everything has to be banners and chanting. Little things over time have a habit of becoming big things. We are building a snowman, and the only way to make a really great snowman is to make it layer by layer, slowly but surely. Rolling each snowball in turn until it is big enough to make a snowman whole. "
I can' help but wonder if asking an atheist to go to church to promote the homosexual civil rights movement is kinda like asking a jewish man to go to a catholic church to promote female priests.

Perhaps if we send Christians to Christians and Muslims to Muslims, etc... there would at least be a common bond already between the two. I know that I would have a very hard time discussing the issue with a Christian at a church (for example) if they were to say, "How do you balance your homosexuality with your faith?" If I answer honestly and tell them, "Well, I don't believe in god", they may be put off and miss the overall point.

We can't forget the atheists and the Pagans in these discussions. I bet we could garner a lot of support from Pagans as they often face religious based discrimination and scorn.
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Judegeekgirl
Judegeekgirl
10. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 8:54 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 8:54 PM EST
I think it's a fantastic idea to get inclusive churches involved. Let them choose how they get involved. Let them know what options are out there. Most of my friends support same sex marriage but they have no idea where to donate their money or who to write to.

I'm not even a Christian but I've already decided to start attending one of the local United Church of Christ churches that is very active in the LGBT community.
Jaysays, as far as knocking on a churches door and asking for their support, I don't think a person needs to mention their own beliefs. I'm not a Christian but I certainly believe in a lot of the teachings attributed to Christ. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, etc. We just thank them for trying to truly live their faith's teachings of love, inclusion and compassion. Having them raise their voices will help drown out the right wing fundamentalists. Besides, they are taking the high road.
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Judegeekgirl
Judegeekgirl
11. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 8:55 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 8:55 PM EST
"I require that we compile a long list of all the major and minor religious denominations throughout America.

But how are we going to find all of them? There is so many.

I believe if we can engage all of the religious denominations - from Christians, to Jews, to Muslims, to Buddhists, to Hindus - and many sub-categories from within, I think we can do this!

Anyone care to help me and others here??? THANK YOU!"
JTI - I wonder if the cities for each state, there could be a place for all inclusive churches to be listed? And maybe under nationwide, the websites for national organizations.
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ashenlady84
ashenlady84
12. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 10:25 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 10:25 PM EST
"I can' help but wonder if asking an atheist to go to church to promote the homosexual civil rights movement is kinda like asking a jewish man to go to a catholic church to promote female priests.

Perhaps if we send Christians to Christians and Muslims to Muslims, etc... there would at least be a common bond already between the two. I know that I would have a very hard time discussing the issue with a Christian at a church (for example) if they were to say, "How do you balance your homosexuality with your faith?" If I answer honestly and tell them, "Well, I don't believe in god", they may be put off and miss the overall point.

We can't forget the atheists and the Pagans in these discussions. I bet we could garner a lot of support from Pagans as they often face religious based discrimination and scorn. "
I hadn't though of it that way, however, I simply meant that we need the strength of our numbers. I don't mean all the atheists in our movement need to suddenly find God and head to church, quite the contrary. I've never been one to make another do something that made them feel awkward. This doesn't mean that a Wiccan couldn't volunteer to help a church group do good works, such as working in a soup kitchen for a day. One person helping another for the sake of values not merely because they share the same belief system. If anything this does benefit our cause because it shows that we are willing to look past differences and find a common ground as people.
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Knottrek
13. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 5 2009, 10:30 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 5 2009, 10:30 PM EST
There are 68 inclusive churches in Seattle WA alone. (see the Seattle city page)

The list was compiled by one of the inclusive churches. There are MANY MANY MANY inclusive churches. Start with your local Unitarian Universalist church (atheists and Pagans and humanists are very active in UU) or United Church of Christ. In all likelihood they will know of other churches. The liberal and moderate churches definitely network with each other.

The inclusive churches don't have the money and aren't as loud as the Christian extremists.

JGG - maybe we can ask Michael or Ben if they can walk us through the process of creating a nationwide list with the home websites for the denominations. I would love to work on this project with you. Lets get this started. I'm sending you a PM now.
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jaysays
jaysays
14. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 6 2009, 7:30 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 6 2009, 7:30 PM EST
"I hadn't though of it that way, however, I simply meant that we need the strength of our numbers. I don't mean all the atheists in our movement need to suddenly find God and head to church, quite the contrary. I've never been one to make another do something that made them feel awkward. This doesn't mean that a Wiccan couldn't volunteer to help a church group do good works, such as working in a soup kitchen for a day. One person helping another for the sake of values not merely because they share the same belief system. If anything this does benefit our cause because it shows that we are willing to look past differences and find a common ground as people."
I don't disagree with you at all - I think it's a wonderful idea to get churches involved. I know in SA we wind up with religious leaders speaking at the events, which is a good thing. I just think I would feel very odd spending the day in church. I'm totally for calling them up and asking for support, they are a valuable resource and I respect them for what they do.
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Knottrek
15. RE: LGBT Friendly Religious Communities
Jan 10 2009, 12:07 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 12:07 AM EST

Unabashedly Supportive:
American Baptist Churches - http://www.abc-usa.org/
African Methodist Episcopal Church - http://www.ame-church.com/
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church - http://www.ame-church.com/
Armenian Church of America - http://www.armenianchurch.net/
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church - http://www.c-m-e.org/
Church of the Bretheren - http://www.cob-net.org/
Christian Church Disciples of Christ - http://www.disciples.org/
Community of Christ, the Episcopal Church - http://diocal.org/
Ethiopian Orthodox Church - http://diocal.org/
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America - http://www.elca.org/
Greek Orthodox Church - http://www.goarch.org/
Independent Catholic Churches International - http://www.reformedcatholicchurch.org/icicc.htm
Moravian Church - http://www.moravian.org/
National Baptist Convention - http://www.nationalbaptist.com/index...PageID=1000000
Reformed Church in America - http://www.rca.org/Page.aspx?pid=2225
Religious Society of Friends (Quakers) - http://www.quakerinfo.org/
Swedenborgian Church - http://www.swedenborg.org/
Metropolitan Community Church - www.mcc.org
Progressive Jewish Alliance - http://www.pjalliance.org/article.aspx?ID=380&CID=15
Unitarian Universalists - www.uua.org
United Church of Christ - www.uuc.org


Most Individual Churches supportive, some struggling:
Episcopal Church - http://www.episcopalchurch.org/
Presbyterian Church - http://www.pcusa.org/
United Methodist Church - www.umc.org
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ld1266
16. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 10 2009, 1:42 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 1:42 PM EST
We are letting someone else tell us that we cant be christians because we are gay our families need to seek out and find an affirming church (Ken and i have a wonderful one in the church of christ) and become active in those churches while religion isnt for everyone i'm sure a lot of us would like to get back into church and worship I guess my point is if you cant beat em join em but do it in a congregation that acceptsyou and wants to further your rights. work it from the inside because the better informed we are the more our words will make sense and they cant fight that effectively 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
InclineVillager
InclineVillager
17. RE: LGBT Friendly Religious Communities
Jan 10 2009, 4:36 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 4:36 PM EST
"Thanks for the links to the podcasts, I'm excited to listen to them. I found this one interesting as well: GayAgenda.com speaks with OUT Mormon Serena - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/James-Hipps/page/1. That interview made me seriously consider issues regarding gay Mormon LGBT people which I hadn't previously considered. There's also an interesting documentary on the Documentary Channel titled "Straight Acting" from 2006 where a Gay Mormon is struggling with church and sexuality through ---- oddly enough ---- Rugby. Personally, I got kinda bored when the sports talk got to be too much.

I do think religious hate is an improper and generalized term for what is happening. It's regrettable that when a dialogue about religion takes place, there isn't a term in place for exclusionary religions and thus all churches and religions are thus associated with the conversation, regardless of their friendliness or acceptance or whatever we want to call it toward LGBT people. A nice simple term that doesn't require a five page disclaimer...

But by ignoring the intolerance associated with evangelical and extreme/radical/whatever you want to call them religious people, we ignore the source of many of the problems - including the use of religion to further abuse LGBT youth by comments (often by their parents) such as: You are going to hell. God doesn't love homosexuals. You can't be gay and get to heaven.... etc... etc...

How do we create a dialogue about this without sounding like "religious hate" - even LGBT people think we are "hating" on religion? What should we do? What is your solution so it is not perceived as religious hate? How do we avoid our allies getting hit with "friendly-fire"?"
Thanks for working towards a solution and posing questions. I have felt the friendly fire often. Monday I am attending a PFLAG meeting with speakers from a few local welcoming religions. I invited a local Pastor of a Methodist church who I am friends with and I know to be Bi but in a hetero marriage( she knows and is fine with it) to join us. He is good friends with one of the Methodist pastors who is speaking. He has always pushed from the inside of the church institution for gay rights and marriage. Methodists are on their way towards acceptance, it's about 40-60 now.

At the last meeting, pflag invited the school district prevention coordiantor to come speak on bullying and harrassment and explain how the district is handling complaints. How they can help. This county employee was a little nervous. At this meeting there were church members UU who wanted to volunteer their site that was across from one of the local high schools for a GSA (Gay straight alliance club) if the school wanted to have one. These are becoming more popular in Ca. as a result of prop 8 and the youth being upset about it. So sometimes the churches, some. can be the biggest allies.

Maybe this is how it starts, one at a time. Here and there.



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TruthandLove
TruthandLove
18. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 10 2009, 8:43 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 10 2009, 8:43 PM EST
I am very glad to see this post, it is sometimes hard to be Christian and be gay, even with in our own community. These are great ideas and resources.
Thank you!
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InclineVillager
InclineVillager
19. RE: LGBT Friednly Religious Communities
Jan 11 2009, 3:43 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 11 2009, 3:43 AM EST
"I am very glad to see this post, it is sometimes hard to be Christian and be gay, even with in our own community. These are great ideas and resources.
Thank you!"
Yes like coming out of another closet. It's just another example of not targeting a specific group for hatred. For blame. I keep encouraging people of religious groups to come out to the marches and identify themselves, Gay people need a lot of healing in this department. They have been cut off sprititually, which is a great resource, or tool of support. That's why the anger is so strong. Thanks. River
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