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shadowgwm
shadowgwm
Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 2 2008, 10:48 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 10:48 PM EST
I'm a subscriber and an active reader of Automobile Magazine. I will continue to subscribe to the magazine and encourage other car enthusiasts to do the same, but I think the derogatory use of gay is unacceptable. The January 2009 magazine has the following for the letter of the month:

Seeing the stock values of GM and Ford plummet can only leave me speculating why both companies have waited so long to bring over their economical and, dare I say, good-looking European models. Can seemingly continuous "employee discount deals" really keep a car company from falling into the depths of bankruptcy? Are the majority of American car buyers waiting until 2010 to accept the fact that small, economical, versatile cars from Europe with good driving dynamics aren't "gay"? Now seems like the logical time to make a comeback against companies like Honda and Volkswagen in the American small-car market. I won't even both to ask about diesel, since most people are afraid to use "weird pump" at U.S. gas stations (unless by accident).
Sean Black
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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I don't know if anyone else is offended by the use of "gay" in this, but I'm tired of gay being used in a derogatory way. I wrote a letter to automobile magazine letting them know that this bothers me and that I think it is inappropriate. If you feel the same, I encourage you to send them an email at letter@automobilemag.com

I do agree with some of what Sean Black had to say, but the use of gay, I think is offensive.

Have a Great Day!
Greg
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atmasilver
atmasilver
1. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 2 2008, 10:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 10:55 PM EST
It's impossible to know what the writer's intent or sensitivities are here. Whether a magazine should publish a letter using the word "gay" is I think debatable. I think they deserve a few angry letters for their clutziness, but it's not something I'm personally going to get involved with. They (the magazine and the writer) would be perfectly within their rights to kick in the teeth those who are offended. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
shadowgwm
shadowgwm
2. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 2 2008, 11:03 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 11:03 PM EST
I apologize the email address is letters@automobilemag.com

Sorry,
Greg
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queerfocus
queerfocus
3. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 2 2008, 11:05 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 11:05 PM EST

I am a teacher, and students use the phrase every two minute alway in reference to something stupid. and I see the faces of the gay kids that have to hear this all the time. is demoralizing.
How would they feel if I said "that's so straight" to refer to something stupid, all the time all day long.


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jfermiller
jfermiller
4. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 2 2008, 11:17 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 2 2008, 11:17 PM EST
It is offensive, no two ways about it... but here is the alternative: That's so girlie, girlish, pussy, or just plain effeminate.

It all goes in the same basket IMO, non-masculine (whatever THAT means) is to be looked down upon.

I suggest to this writer that he consider: "...cars from Europe with good driving dynamics aren't wimpy..." Yes, there is strong, and there is wimpy. With no gender insults involved. Imagine.
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InclineVillager
InclineVillager
5. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 1:13 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 1:13 AM EST
"I'm a subscriber and an active reader of Automobile Magazine. I will continue to subscribe to the magazine and encourage other car enthusiasts to do the same, but I think the derogatory use of gay is unacceptable. The January 2009 magazine has the following for the letter of the month:

Seeing the stock values of GM and Ford plummet can only leave me speculating why both companies have waited so long to bring over their economical and, dare I say, good-looking European models. Can seemingly continuous "employee discount deals" really keep a car company from falling into the depths of bankruptcy? Are the majority of American car buyers waiting until 2010 to accept the fact that small, economical, versatile cars from Europe with good driving dynamics aren't "gay"? Now seems like the logical time to make a comeback against companies like Honda and Volkswagen in the American small-car market. I won't even both to ask about diesel, since most people are afraid to use "weird pump" at U.S. gas stations (unless by accident).
Sean Black
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
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I don't know if anyone else is offended by the use of "gay" in this, but I'm tired of gay being used in a derogatory way. I wrote a letter to automobile magazine letting them know that this bothers me and that I think it is inappropriate. If you feel the same, I encourage you to send them an email at letter@automobilemag.com

I do agree with some of what Sean Black had to say, but the use of gay, I think is offensive.

Have a Great Day!
Greg"
different things bother different people. It depends on the context, who's saying it and to whom. It's like white people using the N word with a black friend. It's not cool! Unless you are black and have been a victim of racisim you can't use the n word. Not allowed.

My wife is really bothered when people say That's gay, when our straight friends and family say it in a negative way. We ask them not to use it, unless they are using it to me something Totaly HIP or fabulous. A positive adj. or adv. To transform the word into cool.

Working in schools the kids favorite put down is Fag, or Homo. The teachers don't try to stop it and it really needs to go. So I'd agree, if you see it in use, please tell the person or magazine that you feel offended, because it is a word that has been used as a slur against us and it is still hurtful to some.

Thanks.
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davidinaz
davidinaz
6. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 3:01 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 3:01 AM EST
I think it is wrong. There are some media ads that have been produced against this slur. I teach, kids in my room know don't use, fag, homo, that's so gay, if I catch them using it, its a parent teacher conference, there are a lot of homophobic teachers I think. 6  out of 6 found this valuable. Do you?    
atmasilver
atmasilver
7. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 8:09 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 8:09 AM EST
"different things bother different people. It depends on the context, who's saying it and to whom. It's like white people using the N word with a black friend. It's not cool! Unless you are black and have been a victim of racisim you can't use the n word. Not allowed.

My wife is really bothered when people say That's gay, when our straight friends and family say it in a negative way. We ask them not to use it, unless they are using it to me something Totaly HIP or fabulous. A positive adj. or adv. To transform the word into cool.

Working in schools the kids favorite put down is Fag, or Homo. The teachers don't try to stop it and it really needs to go. So I'd agree, if you see it in use, please tell the person or magazine that you feel offended, because it is a word that has been used as a slur against us and it is still hurtful to some.

Thanks."
Of course, if you do try to stop it, everything thinks you *are* gay.
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MiDerecho!
8. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 9:03 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 9:03 AM EST
Yes it's offensive. The first time I heard this phrase was from my partner who is 10 years younger than I. I was startled by it. He explained to me that it was a phrase regularly used while he was in high school. I reminded him he was not in high school any longer and asked if he considered that implications of the phrase. He hadn't, well not profoundly anyway. He just accepted the homophobic implication as being "normal".

I hate the use of such terms, no matter who their coming from. Any way you look at it, it's offensive. We (as in humans) have evolved enough to understand the power of speech, but not enough to understand the power of language or words.

Phrases like "that's so gay", "that's so ghetto", "white trash" nigger" are demeaning and anti-egalitarian. It prolongs the misdirected idea that speaker is superior to the person being branded with the epithet. We should show offense whenever we hear these terms or phrases. If we uncomfortable with confrontation, simply not engaging with the offender is always a good tact. They expect one to bond with them through the derision of other, especially gay people who are still fair game. Totally not responding to them and showing your displeasure, is a perfect buzz kill.

Without sounding too over-earnest, I personally can no longer tolerate such talk. If you feel offended, let them know!
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MiDerecho!
9. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 9:04 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 9:04 AM EST
So let them think we *are* gay.... we ARE gay! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
The_Dave_Machine
The_Dave_Machine
10. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 11:34 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 11:34 AM EST
"Of course, if you do try to stop it, everything thinks you *are* gay."
That was true in the past. I remember a women's magazine--many years ago--had a list of "signs your boyfriend may be gay." One of the "signs" he might be gay was if he spoke up against anti-gay discrimination of any kind. In this case, readers were given this message: "Don't speak up against injustice or you will be held suspect." Today, magazine editors need to be educated about these digusting maxims and the detrimental effect they have. These magazine comments inform voters and result in "death by a thousand cuts" at the ballot box. So, by all means, send off an email and speak up. Also, realize that you may have been conditioned by these same magazines and their articles to think that speaking up is, somehow, the wrong thing to do. It is not.
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justmeg8
justmeg8
11. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 12:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 12:59 PM EST
its sad to think that most people who use the phrase dont actually realize they are saying it. for so many people it is an unconscious choice of words. i have been trying for the last year and a half to rid vocabulary of the word "gay" in synonym for stupid. i have also started pointing it out to my friends...which is how i realized that most people don't realize they are even saying it. it has become such a staple in their vocab that they dont even realize how ignorant it makes them sound. so now i try when they say "thats so gay" i simply say "stupid. you mean stupid. not gay". at first it took a lot of people back but now they are starting to see where i am coming from and are making the effort to not say it. sure they are going to slip up at first but the more they are aware of how often they say it, the more they are starting to stop and think of a different word to replace "gay".

we just need to be persistent in getting people to find other words to describe what they are saying...and not just "thats so gay"
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davidinaz
davidinaz
12. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 1:15 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 1:15 PM EST
this is the link to the ad campaign dealing with that's so gay

http://thinkb4youspeak.com/
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Goombah
13. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 1:26 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 1:26 PM EST
I'm grew up in Brooklyn and using the word gay would be considered polite, Hell my Italian Mother said worst.............BUT I have to admit it does offend me.
What's interesting is how differently younger kids, especially gay kids feels about this.
Apparently it means different things to different people.
Frankly, I think it's meant in a derogatory way and I agree with the poster InclineVillager who said it best.
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Judegeekgirl
Judegeekgirl
14. RE: Expand your vocabulary - other words besides gay.
Dec 3 2008, 7:17 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 7:17 PM EST
I find it hurtful and I'm a straight mom. Our school district has a gay straight alliance. They sell business cards. Here's the info:
“I Just Heard You Say, ‘That’s So Gay!’” Business card
Educate on the spot with our business cards. The back side is the same as our poster and postcard. The front says, “Expand Your Vocabulary.” The next time you hear someone say, “That’s so gay!” simply hand her or him this card. They’ll get the point without you having to say a word.
You can buy them through this website - or think up your own and have them printed.
http://www.gsaforsafeschools.org/resources.html
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Searching4Wings
Searching4Wings
15. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 8:59 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 8:59 PM EST
"its sad to think that most people who use the phrase dont actually realize they are saying it. for so many people it is an unconscious choice of words. i have been trying for the last year and a half to rid vocabulary of the word "gay" in synonym for stupid. i have also started pointing it out to my friends...which is how i realized that most people don't realize they are even saying it. it has become such a staple in their vocab that they dont even realize how ignorant it makes them sound. so now i try when they say "thats so gay" i simply say "stupid. you mean stupid. not gay". at first it took a lot of people back but now they are starting to see where i am coming from and are making the effort to not say it. sure they are going to slip up at first but the more they are aware of how often they say it, the more they are starting to stop and think of a different word to replace "gay".

we just need to be persistent in getting people to find other words to describe what they are saying...and not just "thats so gay""
I agree 100%. Growing up it never really occurred to me how hurtful and prejudice this "cliche" really is. What can I say? I was a stupid ignorant child (like most kids, I think.) My point is that by the time I reached adulthood this usage of the word was already so deeply ingrained in my vocabulary I would say it without even thinking or intending to be hurtful or prejudice to anyone. I have made serious efforts to remove this from my vocabulary, but I am not perfect and occasionally it still slips out. Needless to say I immediately feel horrible when it does whether there is anyone around who might be bothered or not. It is very much like the words that are no longer acceptable but were once commonly used to describe black people. It is something we as a society need to weed out but it will take time. Hopefully our children and our grandchildren will not grow up thinking this is an acceptable use of the word. I love that you correct people when they use it that way and I think we should all make a habit of having the courage to speak up and do the same.
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atmasilver
atmasilver
16. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 3 2008, 11:45 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 3 2008, 11:45 PM EST
"That was true in the past. I remember a women's magazine--many years ago--had a list of "signs your boyfriend may be gay." One of the "signs" he might be gay was if he spoke up against anti-gay discrimination of any kind. In this case, readers were given this message: "Don't speak up against injustice or you will be held suspect." Today, magazine editors need to be educated about these digusting maxims and the detrimental effect they have. These magazine comments inform voters and result in "death by a thousand cuts" at the ballot box. So, by all means, send off an email and speak up. Also, realize that you may have been conditioned by these same magazines and their articles to think that speaking up is, somehow, the wrong thing to do. It is not. "
I am talking about high schools. Actually I was interning at an elementary school. I always told the kids "your language" when I heard them cursing, but never when they used the n-word, still always when they used an anti-gay slur. They can do the math.

Yeah, like any adult should care what a bunch of kids think. But at the time I found it intimidating.
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SableKitty
17. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 4 2008, 1:21 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2008, 1:21 AM EST
Whenever anyone uses the word "gay" in the derogative, call them a tool. Only tools use "gay" when they really mean lame. Gay is not lame. Gay is hella cool. Try using gay in the positive. When you see something really nice, try saying - "that is so tight... that's gay tight." 8  out of 8 found this valuable. Do you?    

DarkSora31
18. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 4 2008, 4:25 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2008, 4:25 AM EST
I know that when I was in school and a lot of the kids would use "that's so gay" It really broke my heart every time. It was offensive to me, but I know I would say a couple of times that if they could use a different word i'd appreciate it. Sometimes they'd listen, but most of the time they wouldn't. I really hate that its become such a fad and become somewhat a part of our pop culture. And I think its highly inappropriate to use it in a magazine. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    

MiDerecho!
19. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 4 2008, 6:16 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 4 2008, 6:16 PM EST
"Whenever anyone uses the word "gay" in the derogative, call them a tool. Only tools use "gay" when they really mean lame. Gay is not lame. Gay is hella cool. Try using gay in the positive. When you see something really nice, try saying - "that is so tight... that's gay tight." "
That's a gay idea!!!! :) At least we could start using gay to replace the overused "AWESOME"
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