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jacjr |
120. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 10:02 AM EST
"Of course, if you do try to stop it, everything thinks you *are* gay."That is a weak excuse for bringing enlightenment to ignorant folks who pick up on buzz word slang and use it. It should not matter that you are gay or straight. Putting the light on ignorance is the focus not protecting yourself. If you are correcting a child who has done something wrong, you do it. if you are correcting an adult you do so. Do you find this valuable? |
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atmasilver |
121. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 10:03 AM EST
Not making excuses. Just telling you the reaction I got.
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jacjr |
122. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 10:20 AM EST
"Hey Zlick,The word nigger comes from the word Negro Spanish word for the color black. The Spanish used ti to describe someone of darker skin tone from Africa. The derogatory came in the slave trade. It has been demeaning ever since. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jacjr |
123. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 10:31 AM EST
And that is based on the mentality of the person you are speaking with who feel in themselves they are better than someone else for being who they are or perceive themselves to be. They wonder if you are gay which is a knee jerk reaction and they know exactly what they are saying which is offensive and to whom the offense is meant. They can think oh they are gay and then either stop saying it or they may begin to ridicule you for being gay if they think that. it is bully mentality and still ignorant. By the way why didn't you call them on saying the "n" word in school?
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atmasilver |
124. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 11:36 AM EST
"And that is based on the mentality of the person you are speaking with who feel in themselves they are better than someone else for being who they are or perceive themselves to be. They wonder if you are gay which is a knee jerk reaction and they know exactly what they are saying which is offensive and to whom the offense is meant. They can think oh they are gay and then either stop saying it or they may begin to ridicule you for being gay if they think that. it is bully mentality and still ignorant. By the way why didn't you call them on saying the "n" word in school?"Because it doesn't provoke that same visceral reaction from me when a black person uses it--and it's always been a black person. I don't think it's acceptable to use it under any circumstances, but I don't replay anything powerful in my head when I hear the n-word like I do when I hear an anti-gay slur. Do you find this valuable? |
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MiDerecho! |
125. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 12:06 PM EST
I just want to take the opportunity to describe an ironic experience. My partner and I were out the other night having a drink. We were in what might be considered a "straight" restaurant and pub. Well at least, it's not known for it being a hot spot for gay clientele, (but then again, this is Baltimore, just kidding....sorta). Anyway, standing nearby were a trio of young people, two men, one woman (who btw, was a very loud bubble gum clicker...eewww!), They were obviously having a good time. Suddenly I heard one of the guys say, "Could these socks be more gay?!?My guy and I were caught by surprise, he more than I, because frankly, I've heard so many young people use this phrase that it was more evidence for me that "things" have not really changed all that much. Now, my partner is probably the same age as these people were, early 30's, late 20's perhaps, and a former users of said phrase, but I could tell that he was offended. We couldn't figure out what this guy meant by using the gay phrase, as his sock were not particularly notable. They were indeed rather bland. Now was he implying the socks, that his socks were lame or outlandish? Socks, mind you! An otherwise totally dismissive item of clothing, that suddenly became an object for political sexual identification tension. Why? Because it's offensive! Abstractly, the moment at which time I was feeling affection and appreciation for my partner and our relationship was diminished as to the quality of a man's socks. Makes sense? I know I could be presently more "sensitive" being we've been discussing the very topic here. Perhaps he meant nothing wrong with it and perhaps we looked at him a little too incredulously. But I did notice a moment of hesitation from them, and an embarrassed glance at us. No one said anything, but it moment made apparent to me that the use of this phrase is not so innocuous. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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126. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 14 2008, 12:42 PM EST
"Because it doesn't provoke that same visceral reaction from me when a black person uses it--and it's always been a black person. I don't think it's acceptable to use it under any circumstances, but I don't replay anything powerful in my head when I hear the n-word like I do when I hear an anti-gay slur."I'm not clear on the distinction you make. My conflict with this is that anyone is using the work nigger at all! I hate it! It's history is deplorable! I frankly don't care how it's being used or by whom. One form of bad behavior does not necessarily dismiss another. For instance, the flying of the confederate flag is being seen now by many as being offensive. Is it less inflammatory if it's being flown by people who live in the South? Should the word nigger be considered less destructive when a black shoots and kills another black while yelling nigger? Albeit, the fact that their killing each other is obviously more horrific, but the position that somehow a black person calling another black person "nigger" can is somehow discounted, is beyond me. I just don't get it. Moreover your implication that a gay slur is in some way more squalid than the word nigger is also incomprehensible. I'm assuming you are not black, and can't really identify with the history of the word nigger. But this goes to my argument, that we as gay people cannot ignore injustice put upon anyone. Remember there are gay people that are also of color, the gay community is diverse racially and economically, we need to address the needs of all subjugated people. Again, not easy work. But a topic worthy of discussion at least. Yes, this is hard work, and perhaps taking a hard line, but the line has to be drawn somewhere and at some point, otherwise history will continue to repeat itself. Hearing the word nigger may not "provoke the same visceral reaction" from you when a black person uses it,but perhaps you and others may want to start asking, why is admissible? BTW, not only black people use nigger. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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127. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 25 2008, 12:00 AM EST
I live on the Big Island of Hawaii. We're a pretty progressive and liberally social state. I'm a heterosexual married 32 year old man for 15 years with a 4 year old boy. My brother is a married homosexual living in the Castro of SanFrancisco and is active in the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus. My brother, my wife, and I grew up in the "mid-west of California;" in a conservative farm town just outside of Modesto.I grew up regularly using the word "gay" to indicate a negative about any subject or situation. I'm not proud of it, but it's the truth. All it took was for me to open my mouth at a socially mixed party when I was 18 or so before I realized I was embarrassing myself and everyone around me. Was I actually a bigot? Was I actually homophobic deep down inside? No way! My brother came out of the closet a couple of years later. He was concerned that I would not accept him and that offended me! I love him more than anyone else loves him (except Mom of course), he damn near raised me (and thank God that he did). I notice the writer of the letter in question is from Pittsburgh, PA. I have close friends here in Hawaii from Pittsburgh. They used to use words like "gay" and "nigger" etc. The people I know are not actually bigots, they used to be just ignorant. Now they live in a progressive area and know better. The loser that wrote this letter may simply be an ignorant fool instead of bigot. Nonetheless, the editors of this magazine should have caught it. IGNORANCE IS SAD, but... BIGOTRY IS INEXCUSIBLE! Using the phrase "that's so gay!" is offensive, but probably more often than not...simply ignorance. Aloha! Do you find this valuable? |
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jacjr |
128. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 26 2008, 10:44 AM EST
"I live on the Big Island of Hawaii. We're a pretty progressive and liberally social state. I'm a heterosexual married 32 year old man for 15 years with a 4 year old boy. My brother is a married homosexual living in the Castro of San Francisco and is active in the San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus. My brother, my wife, and I grew up in the "mid-west of California;" in a conservative farm town just outside of Modesto.I didn't live in a cave. I am 52 now but never heard "That's so gay" until 2003 or so. where was this a common saying? in California? Oh the same place we got "awesome". It began in California and caught on. I guess "that's so gay'" didn't catch on as quickly. I just note that I have only heard it in the last 5 years. If you had been saying it growing up and you are 32 so born in 1976. Meaning you used to hear that phrase and use it in late 80's and 90's. I have seen others say they grew up using it too but I moved from California in 1990 and didn't remember hearing it then and I lived in SF for 11 years before I moved east. I never heard it then nor in 1996 when I lived in Atlanta GA. I moved to Michigan in 1999 and still don't remember hearing it until 2003 or so. If the teachers and parents don't stop kids from using it it will continue to be used. If people in general don't use it and show that it is not appropriate it will continue to live in the ignorant bigoted mouths. Do you find this valuable? |
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129. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 26 2008, 1:41 PM EST
I remember my niece using it in 1979. I told her then it was offensive. -- That was in OC California btw
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130. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 26 2008, 3:32 PM EST
I feel it is wrong to use the word gay "as if " gay was lame.I feel that there are groups out there that would like to discriminate gays and find small ways to do so.......this is just another small way... that uneducated make fun of themselves while thinking they are making un of another group. Its not a good idea to call gays lame... seeds of hate start small.. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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131. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
May 10 2009, 3:01 PM EDT
Gonna resurrect this thread for a moment, because I have been having some trouble with this myself and was looking for some answers. I find myself uttering the phrase every so often, because it's shoved into my head so often by society it gets programmed there, as many things tend to. I think the most widespread use of the phrase has been as an evolution to "that sucks", thus my occasional slips. If I offend the random person on the street it isn't going to bother me much, as I spend much of my time offending people merely by my presence=P Mostly those of the right-minded persuasion. The problem I have is when my friend or sister jump down my throat for it when the occasional slip is made, people who know me well enough to know it means absolutely nothing when it comes out of my mouth. The reason I compare it to "that sucks" and thus have a problem with it is, noone will ever give you the same level of crap for implying that anyone who gives fellatio is beneath contempt. Another reason it does manage to escape my lips at times, is my A.D.D. brain jumps around so much, it will sometimes make the synonymous jump from "gay" to "queer" and then revert back to the true definition of simply "odd". I will admit that the widespread use of it is rather disturbing. I am more than a little ashamed that with as many of society's programming attempts I am able to keep out, this one got past my mental firewall. But at the same time I believe those who know me the best should be able to show a little compassion for me, as I am a victim, much as those they think they are protecting by jumping down my throat. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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132. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 19 2009, 7:51 AM EDT
SO WHAY?
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133. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 19 2009, 7:53 AM EDT
Sorry about-can't type SO WHAT? was the comment meanning no one should really care.
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134. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 22 2009, 3:15 AM EDT
Definitely offensive in this context. Why shouldn't something good, "small, economical, versatile cars from Europe with good driving dynamics", be gay? What would be the problem with driving a "gay" car? Would the editor have printed a letter that used "black", "asian", "feminine" or any other group instead of "gay" in that sentence?
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135. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 22 2009, 8:49 AM EDT
when i first moved to florida , black foilk calle dme cracker, honkey or white man... and I am a light skinned native american indian. Words can be offensive. Words can show ignorance as well as smarts. I have noticed in the past few years mormens and others who do not support the gay population as finding ways to discredit the gay population..so it wouldnt suprise me if they started the using the word gay in such a way... Do you find this valuable? |
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136. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 22 2009, 8:51 AM EDT
sorry about my grammar. how embarrassing.
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mewimi |
137. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 22 2009, 9:44 AM EDT
"So, yeah, I might refrain from the jocular use of "homo" and "******," but I'm not gonna stop saying "That's so gay." I like the phrase, and I feel especially entitled, as a gay man, to use it with the confidence that those who hear me say it know i mean no offense to gays.If you think resorting too definitions would help your case in this instance, I think you should know that "Lame" also refers to something that is unsatisfactory, as many words have multiple definitions, "Lame" also includes that. However, gay does not include a "Lame" like definition, as such it is used improperly and since "Thats so happy" in reference to something that is "lame" would make no sense, we can only conclude that the term "Thats so gay" is referring to people who are gay and thus is offensive by nature. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gay http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lame Based on ethics and giving my experience a lot of people have little to no ethical standards when it comes to word usage. For example some lesbians using the word "****" and "*****" to reference themselves and others highly offend me and others, but do they care when I complain? Not really, they just go on and on with their unethical exploitation... Demeaning themselves and others and giving the impression to heterosexuals and haters that that language is okay, and ultimately creating double standards which not only create confusion, but also create problems for those who have been abused while hearing those slurs spit in their face. It's not okay! Do you find this valuable? |
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138. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Sep 22 2009, 9:48 AM EDT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKA03jI83xM&feature=related
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