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Zlick |
80. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 8 2008, 9:31 PM EST
To be honest, I usually mean Lame in a Foo-Foo kind of way ... but not always. Sometimes I mean Lame in a way I could just have well have said, "That's so lame."I think the phrase is well understood not to be automatically homophobic ... and when friends here me say it, they don't have to ask ... they KNOW i'm not knocking gays. D'uh. I don't say it around strangers if I can help myself. I don't say it around the gay friend I have who has told me he doesn't like it (though he just moved back to Hawaii, so now I have NO gay friends who find the common phrase objectionable. This whole thing is a tempest in a tea pot. Not that I don't understand the offense taken if it is. I understand and I'll repect that as far as individual people. But I'm not going to stop saying it. And yes, I DO mean lame in a fruity kind of way. Deal. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jfermiller |
81. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 8 2008, 10:08 PM EST
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SableKitty |
82. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 8 2008, 10:42 PM EST
"Wanda! Hell to the yes! Do you find this valuable? |
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jfermiller |
83. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 8 2008, 10:55 PM EST
Wanda's my new hero <3.
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OliveRAWR |
84. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 12:07 AM EST
Yes, i'm offended! I'm an 8th grade student and I hear "that's so gay" nearly every 2 minutes and it drives me crazy. The bad thing is, though, is everyone at school knows it hurts me but they don't care. Alright, if you want to say something is stupid, say "That's so stupid!" Don't freakin' make other feel bad when it isn't towards them. I have one teacher who gets angry when it's said in her classroom. She doesn't like it. Another teacher who subbed for us, he's been me teacher before and likes me, gave us the "No hate speech" he knew because the kid next to me had said it and I got quite. I don't understand why it's "in". I think kid at school should be punshished because it's hateful. But yes bottom line, I get offended.
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ristorilsm |
85. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 7:41 AM EST
"Yes, i'm offended! I'm an 8th grade student and I hear "that's so gay" nearly every 2 minutes and it drives me crazy. The bad thing is, though, is everyone at school knows it hurts me but they don't care. Alright, if you want to say something is stupid, say "That's so stupid!" Don't freakin' make other feel bad when it isn't towards them. I have one teacher who gets angry when it's said in her classroom. She doesn't like it. Another teacher who subbed for us, he's been me teacher before and likes me, gave us the "No hate speech" he knew because the kid next to me had said it and I got quite. I don't understand why it's "in". I think kid at school should be punshished because it's hateful. But yes bottom line, I get offended."So your telling me its okay to analogize a situation to a simpleton/retard but not you? While I will agree hearing the word "gay" come out like a machine gun is annoying, it should be far from offending. There is no reason to be that sensitive. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MiDerecho! |
86. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 8:25 AM EST
"So your telling me its okay to analogize a situation to a simpleton/retard but not you? While I will agree hearing the word "gay" come out like a machine gun is annoying, it should be far from offending. There is no reason to be that sensitive."ristorilsm, You know exactly what this discussion is about. It's not about conveniently replacing or transferring subjugation of one group of people to another. It 's not about choosing whether or not to be offended the use of a phrase. Pithily, it's about how words are used and how they affect the people around you. Perhaps you may not find any reason for being offended or that some of us are overly sensitive, well then, so be it. Let people own their feelings. Honestly, I can't believe the amount of insensitivity that you keep espousing. But you win! Continue to stick your head in the sand and be kicked in the butt by people that think you're inferior. I will choose not to. Zlick, you continue to use "that's so gay" in the attempt to desensitize the phrase. Good Luck. Those of us that "choose" to feel offended by it, will have to "deal" with your bad choices and failure to understand that you're only shooting yourselves in the foot. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MiDerecho! |
87. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 9:01 AM EST
"Every generation is more progressive than the one before. For every completely liberated gay in previous generations, there was one being murdered. And I'm not saying we're the most progressive generation there will be, but we're more progressive than the previous one. I don't know where you live, either, but to give you an example, the church down the road was one two Episcopal churches to convert to Anglicanism after the Episcopals elected a gay bishop. That's the only reason. Because a gay guy hundreds of miles away was elected into office. No, I don't feel comfortable being gay. But when people say, "that's so gay," it doesn't bother me. It's when they say, "you're going to hell, you goddamn dyke," that I get uncomfortable. But I would not take away their right to say that.Hitler use words spread ignorance, resulting in a devastating war and the murder of 60 million. Mugabe presently uses words to subjugate and control a nation. Bush/Cheney used words to incite a country into sending their children to be killed in Iraq. LDS used words to get Prop 8 through. Extreme examples perhaps, but to my eye, proof of the power of words. Why do you choose to choose to be offended by some saying that you'll go to hell for being a lesbian but not be offended when someone uses a "that's so gay". There's a real difference between respecting freedom of speech and the freedom to incite hate and violence. I agree that with every generation some become more progressive. But, to be perfectly honest, gay of every age continue to be murdered in this country for being gay or perceived as gay. Yes even people of your generation are victims and perpetrators. There are huge battles for us to fight, it doesn't mean we close down discussion that address problems within our community. I think that's a problem. Just because we have a common goal, does not mean we're all the same. We need to be able to fix our own shortcomings, faults and false beliefs in order to excel. Do you find this valuable? |
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ristorilsm |
88. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 9:32 AM EST
Derencho,Its not about being insensitive, its about not being too sensitive. One thing you did point out is how it is left up to opinion. Yes, you can choose to take offense, and I completely support your ability to chose. At the same time that does not mean I have to agree with your choice. You are making a decision that needlessly adds grief to your life. People who say "that's gay" honestly have no ill will towards homosexuals, I can only cite you anecdotal evidence, but it is pretty apparent. I am not even talking about the Aikido philosophy of letting verbal attacks pass through you like water (which is a good skill to learn), I am talking about not taking offense from something that you have misconceived as an attack. These are not attacks, no amount of false rationalization will make it so. The logic is clear and simple that it does not follow necessarily in anyway either direct or indirect that you are being harmed from the phrase "that's gay"; no more than homosexual marriage in any way direct or indirect harms heterosexual marriage. Any damage accrued or percieved from the phrase (or in the analogy, from gay marriage) is from a perverted source. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ristorilsm |
89. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 9:37 AM EST
"Hitler use words spread ignorance, resulting in a devastating war and the murder of 60 million. Mugabe presently uses words to subjugate and control a nation. Bush/Cheney used words to incite a country into sending their children to be killed in Iraq. LDS used words to get Prop 8 through. Extreme examples perhaps, but to my eye, proof of the power of words.First of all there is a big difference between calling a broken fax machine "gay", and comming out and saying "jews/homosexuals/gypsies need to be die, they are a bane to our society". One is a direct attack, the other is not an attack at all. Secondly, only the feeble minded imbeciles or people who ALREADY HATED JEWS (caps for important point) believed Hitlers legitimacy against the jews. Only feeble minded imbeciles or people who already believed in anti-middle east philosophy, believed in bush. The point is the problem is clearly PRE-existing. It is like blaming a lightening strike blew up your house when you filled it with hay and petrol. Do you find this valuable? |
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MiDerecho! |
90. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 10:19 AM EST
"First of all there is a big difference between calling a broken fax machine "gay", and comming out and saying "jews/homosexuals/gypsies need to be die, they are a bane to our society". One is a direct attack, the other is not an attack at all.You see it the way you want to. You've made my point exactly. Only the "feeble minded" would lump having the experience of dealing with a "BROKEN FAX MACHINE" to that of being a gay person. Don't you get the inference? I am not "BROKEN" because I am gay. In addition, many very intelligent people followed the words of Hitler. Many intelligent people followed Bush/Cheney into war (Hillary Clinton). My point, although admittedly an extreme one, is that no one can diminish the power of words. It's very simple. Do you find this valuable? |
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ristorilsm |
91. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 11:13 AM EST
"You see it the way you want to.Those two points were completely unattached, even in separate paragraphs. Please do not piece-meal my words together into a totally different claim. This inst Fox news, and your not Bill O'reilly. As I said, there were two kinds of people who followed words of Hitler, those without intelligence, and those with that simply hated Jews. Your right one can never diminish the power of words on a simpleton. It doesn't affect someone who already hated them in the first place. Both of these points are moot in that Hitler attacked that group, whereas you fail to convince me that calling something "gay" is an attack in any logical manner against the homosexual community. You will not because it is not possible to construct an argument proving so. Gay or strait, if someone broke down into tears next to me when I called the fax machine gay, id tell them to get a grip. Even if they for a brief moment believed that I was in any way referring to them or their group. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zlick |
92. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 11:25 AM EST
"Those of us that "choose" to feel offended by it, will have to "deal" with your bad choices and failure to understand that you're only shooting yourselves in the foot."I only have to be told once, and that person who speaks up with their feeling of offense will never hear that phrase leave my lips again (ok, I may slip up, but it will be an error I'll immediately apologize for.) I repeat ... I personally don't think there's anything offensive in the phrase, but I acknowledge its potential to offend. So if you don't tell me, I'll assume you are cool with the phrase that, I believe, has nothing to do with homosexuality ... and if you DO tell me it understandably bugs you, I won't say it around you anymore. That simple. Do you find this valuable? |
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jfermiller |
93. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 11:34 AM EST
"I only have to be told once, and that person who speaks up with their feeling of offense will never hear that phrase leave my lips again (ok, I may slip up, but it will be an error I'll immediately apologize for.)You have been told many times that it DOES have to do with homosexuality. You even stated that because you are gay you have the right to use it. Most people on this thread have told you it offends them, but you persist, so I don't believe that you will care if someone tells you, I think you'll try to explain to them why it shouldn't People should not have to ask you to not say an offensive thing, you should just get it IMO. But I'm a dreamer. .. Do you find this valuable? |
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Zlick |
94. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 12:49 PM EST
ok, you miss my point. Since, no matter how many people tell me they personally are offended, I respectfully disagree ... my refraining from saying the phrase applies only to such people.I do not "persist." I have not used the phrase ONCE here. We are discussing it. So as to all of you who have expressed your feeling of offense over the term, you won't read me using it on this site. But, naturally, in this thread that's dedicated to a discussion of it, it's going to come up, out of context. And I don't get into arguments with people irl if they tell me they take offense at the phrase. I simply apologize, tell them I meant no offense, and stop using it around them from that moment on. It's not like I say it every two minutes anyway. And like I said, despite the general opinion of people in this thread, only ONE of my many, many gay friends has ever told me they are offended by the phrase. Perhaps the others, and many queers like them, agree with me that it's vitally important to be able to laugh at yourself. I'll save my offense for people who tell me I'm a God Damned Faggot Who Deserved to Burn in Hell. And I'll laugh it off when someone says those orange shoes are So Gay. . Do you find this valuable? |
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Zlick |
95. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 1:00 PM EST
I should add:I'm not meaning to be pigheaded. I've learned a lot from this thread, from other discussions I've had in real life ... and from Wanda! So ... since I'm getting very involved with gay activism, and meeting dozens upon dozens of gay folks and our supporters ... I'm going to GO ON THE ASSUMPTION that the phrase is patently offensive to a good number of people ... and I'm going to make a conscious effort to stop using it. It's one thing that I know in my (rather wide) circle of friends that no one's bugged by it ... quite another to be meeting a whole lot of people who are gay or involved with gay activism. Seeing that this is a passion I'm pursuing wholeheartedly now, I have to agree it's time to rid the phrase from my vocabulary. It just seems the respectful and wise thing to do, and I won't shy away from that. Sigh, give me a couple of weeks to accomplish this ... and I'll go back to insulting lame people. . Do you find this valuable? |
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96. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 3:33 PM EST
"First of all there is a big difference between calling a broken fax machine "gay", and comming out and saying "jews/homosexuals/gypsies need to be die, they are a bane to our society". One is a direct attack, the other is not an attack at all.Totally agree... I have friends that would use a racial slur to describe the way in which something was "rigged" to say how it was shoddily constructed.... needless to say, many embarrassing faces arose, but nobody ever called these people racist or thought they would try to hurt, maim, or restrict the rights of those who's rigs were poorly built. Just also wanted to add... for those who want to make progress in the gay community... going after people who have the right to free speech; using the same tactics the Mormons use against us, against others... is only going to create backlash. Gay people need to get real, get over the name calling because there are bigger issues to work on, and we need to be able to reach out to others for support (not push them away). So when someone says "That's so gay...." Tell them "yes it is gay.... it wears heels and emphasizes it's esssesss.... " Make them laugh and win their respect!!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MiDerecho! |
97. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 3:44 PM EST
"Those two points were completely unattached, even in separate paragraphs. Please do not piece-meal my words together into a totally different claim. This inst Fox news, and your not Bill O'reilly.You know exactly what my argument is. I might add that it's not a weak one. Truthfully I find your "get a grip" attitude dismissive and insensitive. No thanks. I'll keep my awareness and sense of other people's feelings intact. Do you find this valuable? |
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jfermiller |
98. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 4:22 PM EST
"I should add:I appreciate this post. I think you're a smart guy and I you'll come to your own understandings throughout your life, as we all will. peace! jfer Do you find this valuable? |
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OliveRAWR |
99. RE: Are you offended when people use the phrase, "That's so gay!"
Dec 9 2008, 8:16 PM EST
"So your telling me its okay to analogize a situation to a simpleton/retard but not you? While I will agree hearing the word "gay" come out like a machine gun is annoying, it should be far from offending. There is no reason to be that sensitive."I usally don't get offended easy. And teachers, they don't address it usally. But I do by this, actully i'm more used to it, but when I say the word "gay" they think "stupid" and I think "Homosexual". So it confusing them. Do you find this valuable? |