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FaerieFyre
FaerieFyre
What HAPPENED???
Dec 20 2008, 8:48 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2008, 8:48 PM EST
We kept saying that the incoming snowstorm would not stop the shoppers, therefore would not stop us. However, I arrived just after 4pm and the park was dead? I ask again, where is everyone??

After waiting around for a bit, I walked down to Westlake Center to find similar results: Nobody there for the vigil.

I'm very much upset that it didn't come together and quite confused as to why so many said they'd be there and never showed up. It's disheartening.
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MiDerecho!
1. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 20 2008, 9:02 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2008, 9:02 PM EST
"We kept saying that the incoming snowstorm would not stop the shoppers, therefore would not stop us. However, I arrived just after 4pm and the park was dead? I ask again, where is everyone??

After waiting around for a bit, I walked down to Westlake Center to find similar results: Nobody there for the vigil.

I'm very much upset that it didn't come together and quite confused as to why so many said they'd be there and never showed up. It's disheartening."
I'm sorry :(

What a bummer. But this is a big problem with the gay community. I'm in Baltimore and we had the same results here, and there wasn't any snow!! But I bet the bars will be full. I'm thinking of going to the bars and asking WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?

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atmasilver
atmasilver
2. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 20 2008, 9:44 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2008, 9:44 PM EST
We had a reasonable turnout in NYC.

Well, not really. The organizers expected a lower turnout. Our total listed on this site for Nov. 15 is 10000 people. We estimated less than 1000 would come to this one. And by the way, it was damned cold, transportation was very sluggish between yesterday's noreaster AND the weekend before Christmas crunch, speaking of Christmas I had a lot of shopping to do, and for me at least the food drive competed with the LUTN event in terms of budgeting my day. All things considered, I think we'll say we had an okay turnout. We should have people post the attendance totals for this event and evaluate whether this event was a success. Is it really a good idea to hold an event that's most likely going to be outdoors in the middle of December, and the weekend before Christmas?

As for the WHAT HAPPENED question, eh I'm not expert.
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frollick
3. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 20 2008, 9:49 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 20 2008, 9:49 PM EST
this report is from ORLANDO FLORIDA, very poor showing ,I counted roughly between 100 - 125, when jointheimpact facebook, showed 196 confirmed and 298 maybe. the speakers and faith based leaders,as well as PFLAG and the parents of ryan who was killed in polk county for being gay were there. very inspiring and motivating, but what a SHAME our own community will not show for the fight of our lives! I was just glad there was not any media coverage,other than the fine article in the orlando paper, saturday or I would of felt very sad for the lack of a show, really, what is it going to take for our community to WAKE UP and get involved? otherwise, the right wing fundies who are well financed and organized win,and we go back in the old closet! 3  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
etharmon
etharmon
4. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 12:12 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 12:12 AM EST
"We kept saying that the incoming snowstorm would not stop the shoppers, therefore would not stop us. However, I arrived just after 4pm and the park was dead? I ask again, where is everyone??

After waiting around for a bit, I walked down to Westlake Center to find similar results: Nobody there for the vigil.

I'm very much upset that it didn't come together and quite confused as to why so many said they'd be there and never showed up. It's disheartening."
Charleston, SC showed up!
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SableKitty
5. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 2:17 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 2:17 AM EST
I attended the LUTN in Oakland, CA. I stood around Lake Merrit with about 60 other individuals dedicated to ending discrimination. I love allsixty for showing up. I especially thank Sheryl for her organizational skills.

We should have had a thousand, at least ... two thousand would have been better. I know there's at least two thousand gays and lesbians in Oakland. Where were they? Are you people happy with Prop 8? Are you ok with homophobia? I bet if Budwieser had sponsored the event more people would have been here!

I need to find that guy... the angry guy who ranted about how we were all "sheeple." I need to tell him he was right.
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GailWise
GailWise
6. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 2:48 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 2:48 AM EST
News reports in LA said there were several hundred of us in Hollywood, and then another 150 in Studio City (just a few miles away). Attendance could have been better, could have been worse

I must say, I was a little skeptical at first, but I liked marching through all the shoppers and past bewildered tourists checking out the stars on Hollywood Boulevard. I think it was really good. Plus we gave a lot of food to the fabulous Methodist church that has been so supportive. I would say LA was a success. Plus, we got great local TV news coverage.

And thanks to the organizers and volunteers. It was really, really well done.
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lanpuen
lanpuen
7. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 3:51 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 3:51 AM EST
My first rally with my partner at Boston City Hall right after the ban of Prop 8 was very impressive and wer were so thrilled to see over 3,000 people there.

This evening around 5 something, I went with my partner and friens to Copley Square in Boston. At first we had about 20 to 30 people. My friends wanted to leave immediately because it was so cold and wet and it's not so inspiring. I insisted we stay. So we sang some songs. At the end I believe we had over 50 people, but still not so impressive. Boston was supposed to have much more gays and lesbians coming out for this very important moment because I remember every year seeing thousands of gays and lesbians coming out for gay pride. Will we just want to have fun? I think It's time that we have to take equal right more seriously.

This is really discouraging me. That's why I posted "I just wonder" in the other discussion.
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Jessica_
8. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 4:58 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 4:58 AM EST
I got to hold a candlelight vigil in the rain. One other person showed up.

The most encouraging thing for me was to compare it to what would have happened if I hadn't bothered at all. One fellow protester, two people asking questions and taking fliers, a couple of encouraging comments, and a few dozen people noticing was better than what I'd have gotten done sitting at home and watching TV, even if colder.
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mominreallife
mominreallife
9. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 10:05 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 10:05 AM EST
That really is a shame. I went to the one at Glen Ellyn IL and we had good numbers considering how conservative the county is. People need to understand that if they want change they have to DO something 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    

Goombah
10. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:02 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:02 AM EST
Please don't be dishearten!
For most people it couldn't be a worst time to plan a protest. It's just that simple.
Look for that to change after the holidays.

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Papparon
Papparon
11. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:06 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:06 AM EST
"We had a reasonable turnout in NYC.

Well, not really. The organizers expected a lower turnout. "
The NYC event was good, but the turnout was disappointing - a few hundred at most, and yes it was cold, but it could have been worse for this time of year.

This event had much more advance publicity than the Nov 15 one. Plenty of time for people to plan their schedules, so it is doubly disappointing to hear reports from all around the country of low turnouts. I wonder if there is any hope at all that we will ever get our brothers and sisters to take this movement seriously.

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Papparon
Papparon
12. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:26 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:26 AM EST
"Please don't be dishearten!
For most people it couldn't be a worst time to plan a protest. It's just that simple.
Look for that to change after the holidays.

"
I hope you're right. My experience tells me that gay's don't need much of an excuse to procrastinate. So this time it is "too close to Christmas" ; 'too cold", but next time it will be ; "I'm too busy" ; "too close to Ester" ; "too far to travel" ;"too rainy" ; "too hot" ; "too much trouble" and on and on.

The question being, "if not now, WHEN is it a good time to stand up for your rights?" and I think that question answers itself. We (the active members of JtI) just need to constantly remind our friends that there is only ONE good time to stand up for yourself, and that is NOW.

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querque
querque
13. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:34 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:34 AM EST
I'm wondering what it will take to get gays to take this seriously too. NONE of my gay friends wanted to be anywhere near the LUTN event last night. When my straight friends heard that none of the gays they know were going THEY decided not to go either. I've been a non-violent activist for various causes since the 1960s and I know the more people that show up for events - be they candlelight vigils, marches or full-blown protests - the more impact they have on people not involved in the cause. To say LUTN was a dud here in Albuquerque is being kind. Everyone who did not participate last night, no matter where you live in the US, you need to get more active. We straights will look awfully silly out there supporting equal rights for gays if gays are too indifferent to stand up for yourselves. 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
Papparon
Papparon
14. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:57 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:57 AM EST
"Everyone who did not participate last night, no matter where you live in the US, you need to get more active. We straights will look awfully silly out there supporting equal rights for gays if gays are too indifferent to stand up for yourselves. "
Thanks for saying that querque. I'm going to work a lot harder to try and keep people motivated to attend and support these activities in the future.

Too many gays have become "comfortable" with their lives and don't want to rock the boat. I say we need to make them a little "uncomfortable" to get them off their butts.

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mominreallife
mominreallife
15. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 11:58 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 11:58 AM EST
"Please don't be dishearten!
For most people it couldn't be a worst time to plan a protest. It's just that simple.
Look for that to change after the holidays.

"
That's just sad. To have to try to fit "change" into our schedules....priorities need to made if you want to be taken seriously
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atmasilver
atmasilver
16. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 12:21 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 12:21 PM EST
"The NYC event was good, but the turnout was disappointing - a few hundred at most, and yes it was cold, but it could have been worse for this time of year.

This event had much more advance publicity than the Nov 15 one. Plenty of time for people to plan their schedules, so it is doubly disappointing to hear reports from all around the country of low turnouts. I wonder if there is any hope at all that we will ever get our brothers and sisters to take this movement seriously.

"
Not that this is something I agree with, but for example the call to demand Obama rescind his invitation to Rick Warren was not exactly met with stone cold silence. People can be motivated to immediate, reactive action pretty easily. Long-term, you gotta make lots of repeat connections. Word of mouth stuff. Advertise events long in advance and keep throwing out the advertisements. It's very easy to do on college campuses, at least. One thing I see the NYC group trying to do is have good communication with other NYC groups (which frankly reach more people). The number of organizations we're making a good impression on is increasing.

Besides the things we already mentioned, there was profound disagreement (at least on this site) about the quieter nature of the event, and its slogan. Those divisions hurt.
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jaysays
jaysays
17. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 1:06 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 1:06 PM EST
"I'm wondering what it will take to get gays to take this seriously too. NONE of my gay friends wanted to be anywhere near the LUTN event last night. When my straight friends heard that none of the gays they know were going THEY decided not to go either. I've been a non-violent activist for various causes since the 1960s and I know the more people that show up for events - be they candlelight vigils, marches or full-blown protests - the more impact they have on people not involved in the cause. To say LUTN was a dud here in Albuquerque is being kind. Everyone who did not participate last night, no matter where you live in the US, you need to get more active. We straights will look awfully silly out there supporting equal rights for gays if gays are too indifferent to stand up for yourselves. "
Well, I took it very seriously although I didn't attend due to a few factors: San Antonio was listed as having an organizer up until a few days before the event. At one point the page had all this information on when and what, but nothing about where. After a few unanswered emails, all that information was deleted and "organizers needed" took its place. It was very confusing. Thus, I was thinking I would attend the event in Austin since it was so close, but due to a work related issue, I wouldn't have time to get to Austin and back in time for work so I placed an animated candle on my blog and gave myself a few guilt trips.

I imagine a lot of people trying to get information on it experienced similar problems. I think it may be beneficial for us to start forming local groups of volunteers specifically for the calls to action from JTI. In spite of efforts, no one person can do it alone and be as successful as a team of people. I've been considering putting out volunteer ads in the San Antonio area through craig's list and such, but I'm getting too little sleep as it is.
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querque
querque
18. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 1:53 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 1:53 PM EST
I know that s**t happens and maybe Dec 20th wasn't the best time to plan the LUTN event for but I still feel that, while everybody's heart is in the right place, there's a general lack of deep commitment. Oh, everybody talks a good fight and they're all for equal rights but you gotta get up off your duffs and be somewhere visible and in large enough numbers to show non-gays and anti-gays that you're serious about getting equal rights for yourselves and you're not going to go away and shut up about it till you get those rights! I applaud the people who participated last night in the LUTN event. I'm sure you would have been warmer at home - for those of you who braved the cold - and that many of you had to postpone other plans to participate in the event. But for the rest, you have to decide what your priorities are. It won't be easy to become visible advocates for your cause and sometimes it will be a hard road to travel. For those of you who think it's going to be a cakewalk, I'd suggest you go online and look up the Civil Rights Movement and see if you can find old tapes of what some of the blacks in the south had to face in their fight for equal rights so you can educate yourselves on just how hard and dangerous it was for them to get the rights they deserved. Nobody nowadays has to face attacks from vicious police dogs or getting hosed by fire-fighting apparatus or getting beaten by nasty cops with billy clubs. Hell, if you protest non-violently you won't even get tear-gassed like I and my fellow non-violent protesters were in the '60s! It's time to decide whether you want what you're being denied or the easy way out by putting up with the same-old-same-old. If you're not indignant with the discrimination you have to endure then you SHOULD be! Stand up and put everybody against your rights on notice that you're mad as hell and you're not effing gonna stand for it any more! 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
FaerieFyre
FaerieFyre
19. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 3:07 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 3:07 PM EST
I'm talking about the Seattle, WA event around Westlake Center (a common protest site in downtown). I don't know what happened with the event in the UVillage area. I'm hoping they had a better turnout than the downtown variety.

An hour before the event was to take place, a snowstorm rolled in and descended upon Seattle. Entire roads were blocked off because the snow was too bad, at one point. However, we had stated that the weather would not stop the shoppers, therefore wouldn't stop us. Oh, there were plenty of shoppers about. I saw maybe hundreds of them. When it came to the Light Up The Night people... it was like a ghost town. The park was empty - save for the Green Peace people and a few homeless guys that typically get drunk down there.

I was just disappointed, that's all. I really thought something was going to happen, but we didn't have anything. I was hoping to get a response from the other people who promised to show and see what happened. Myself, I went home with a friend and hunkered down for the night. WDOT didn't even have trucks on the Interstate! Crazy stuff.
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