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shoujokakumei
shoujokakumei
20. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 3:12 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 3:12 PM EST
Five people came in Delaware (our Nov. 15 total was around 30-40).. We did get another 10 or 15 people from a UU church group come over about an hour late, from their holiday dinner that was going on nearby, but we were basically done by then.

We had no snow, it was just cold (about 30 degrees).
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hafgana
hafgana
21. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 8:22 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 8:22 PM EST
Before I say anything I want to tell everyone who did go to the vigils, "Be Proud of Yourselves!" obviously being on the front lines is not for everyone, especially with the crappy weather. When you all stood out there in the cold, even if you were standing out alone, you were standing there for me. I am one of those people who really does want to get married. Thank you for helping me. Obviously, I can stand alone and try to fight, but having people help means so much.

I am sure I am not the only one who appreciates our family who stood out there and shined some light on our cause.

Big gay hug to you all!
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SableKitty
22. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 9:00 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 9:00 PM EST
I went to my favoriet coffee shop today and saw a few people I know - not close friends but casual friends. They were at the White Horse last night and got drunk and had a great time. They said the White Horse was packed (the White Horse is a gay bar in Berkeley).

So to the sixty people who stood shoulder to shoulder with me last night on the shores of Lake Merrit - I love you. To the rest of you - don't bitch when the homophobes take your rights away.

And it wasn't that cold in Oakland.

Nichole
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jfermiller
jfermiller
23. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 9:04 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 9:04 PM EST
I remember the White Horse, that place is STILL a hotspot?

Yay to all of us that went to vigils and stood shoulder to shoulder or alone. Standing up for our rights, you betcha!
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SableKitty
24. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 9:08 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 9:08 PM EST
"I remember the White Horse, that place is STILL a hotspot?

Yay to all of us that went to vigils and stood shoulder to shoulder or alone. Standing up for our rights, you betcha!"
Apparently so. I went there a few weeks ago. It's a bit seedy, but lots of folks were there.
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jfermiller
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25. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 9:10 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 9:10 PM EST
It was a bit seedy 20 years ago, I can't imagine now :-) Do you find this valuable?    

SableKitty
26. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 21 2008, 9:13 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 21 2008, 9:13 PM EST
They remodeled - but kept all the old seed. Do you find this valuable?    
Holiday34691
Holiday34691
27. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 22 2008, 4:55 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 4:55 PM EST
"We kept saying that the incoming snowstorm would not stop the shoppers, therefore would not stop us. However, I arrived just after 4pm and the park was dead? I ask again, where is everyone??

After waiting around for a bit, I walked down to Westlake Center to find similar results: Nobody there for the vigil.

I'm very much upset that it didn't come together and quite confused as to why so many said they'd be there and never showed up. It's disheartening."
It is now Monday afternoon. I have watched CNN all Weekend and never once did I see anything being reported about "Light up the Night" demonstrations. After reading the posts about the upcoming event I was lead to believe that the idea of the exercise was to garner press coverage. Clearly, your (silent) candlelight prancing out in the cold was a total failure. This however does not come as a surprise to me.
Over the years I have found that very few Gays actually follow through on anything.
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GailWise
GailWise
28. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 22 2008, 6:46 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 6:46 PM EST
I disagreee with respect to LA. All the local evening news stations in LA covered the Hollywood protest, and one or two covered the one in Studio City, as well. They used the angle that LUTN was different in tone from the other protests and then tied it in to the Warren story. The coverage was very favorable. But maybe that was just LA. And we had about 500 people, so that helped, although we should have had at least a thousand.

We don't always have to get 10,000 people out in the streets -- it's a bit much to ask people to do that every two weeks or so. But if we have lots of different, smaller, strategic actions, that does a lot.
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AussiesBaby
AussiesBaby
29. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 22 2008, 7:10 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 7:10 PM EST
"For most people it couldn't be a worst time to plan a protest. It's just that simple.
Look for that to change after the holidays.

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When would be a good time? Maybe 2010? Doesn't make any sense that people, no matter where they were - if traveling- that they couldn't take two hours out of their day to stand together.

Sadly, this just shows how important this is to everyone. **not** Should we be taking a closer look at ourselves and the reasons we are losing in elections, rather than spending so much time attacking the other side? How many days since election day? say 45? Should we still be outraged?
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violetlorien
violetlorien
30. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 22 2008, 7:25 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 7:25 PM EST
"I'm very much upset that it didn't come together and quite confused as to why so many said they'd be there and never showed up. It's disheartening."
re: seattle i can only speak for my partner and myself. we were out seeing my cousin's christmas play which started about 3:30 when snow started to fall. we had gone out and purchased battery lights and candles that were in the car ready to go. when we got out of the play at 4:30 it was clear to both of us that being out another 3 or 4 hours given the accumulation was not going to be safe. maybe if we'd been driving an SUV we could have gotten to one of the sites, but even hours before the event was to begin we were slipping and sliding in our sub-compact.

i've lived almost 30 years here and can't remember ever seeing this kind of accumulation, sticking around for this long, especially in the roads. usually its just cold enough for snow to fall and the roads never get past the slushy-and-wet stage. i'm sure we weren't the only people who've spent most of the past week snowed in and who were not prepared to be out in it on saturday.

i echo the posters who have questioned holding an outdoor event this late in the year, and this close to the holidays. not that we could have necessarily predicted this storm in advance, but it might be a good idea to create some kind of backup plan or second staging area -- like an indoor mall -- where at the very least we could stay out of the cold once we made it there.
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Peppermint2
Peppermint2
31. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 22 2008, 7:30 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 22 2008, 7:30 PM EST
In Gainesville, Florida we had a total of six people show up. I was thankful for the other five people who came and we six stood out there and held candles and share the pamphlets. It wasn't many people but at least some came and a month wasn't missed. Next month will be better. Do you find this valuable?    
FaerieFyre
FaerieFyre
32. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 27 2008, 4:38 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2008, 4:38 AM EST
"maybe if we'd been driving an SUV we could have gotten to one of the sites, but even hours before the event was to begin we were slipping and sliding in our sub-compact.

i've lived almost 30 years here and can't remember ever seeing this kind of accumulation, sticking around for this long, especially in the roads. usually its just cold enough for snow to fall and the roads never get past the slushy-and-wet stage."
To the first paragraph, I have this answer: My friend and I made from South Lake Union to about First Street. We found a parking space near Battery... or something like that, then walked down to the park. After about an hour or so of searching the downtown area and sitting in front of Westlake Center with an improvised candle, we left home and took I-5 to about 145th. Now, I wouldn't suggest being out on the roads come Sunday morning, by any means. But, just to demonstrate what we were dealing with, my friend owns an '89 Ford Tempo with nearly bald tires and WE made it to the vigil site. Other than that, my toes were a bit cold when we finally headed home, but it wasn't really that bad.

To the whole thing, the holiday shoppers had enough bravado to be out in the conditions. Why did most of the Seattle people, who had already committed to attending, chicken out? I just can't understand it, myself.

Though, about 6 people did show up, but my friend and I never found them... (news from Amy, herself)
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dcomfort
33. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 27 2008, 1:11 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2008, 1:11 PM EST
The main take-away message from "Light up the Night" and "Day without a Gay" is that we need to build a movement, even if that means one person at a time. We cannot expect to post a facebook event, do some flying and expect thousands of people to show up.

Having a website and a Facebook Group cannot real grassroots organizing, having meetings, getting people involved on a personal level. We need to take step back and get organized.

We are starting a group in Los Angeles, Equality Network, that is committed to building a grassroots movement for non-violent action to achieve social and political justice and equality for gay, lesbian, transgendered, and bisexual people. We have to hard work of organizing - outreach, media relations, education, recruitment, etc.

In peace and love,
David Comfort
Equality Network
http://www.equalitynetwork.org/

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Zlick
Zlick
34. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 27 2008, 3:20 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2008, 3:20 PM EST
oh, this thread was disheartening to read.

But, ok, now I'm thankful for the roughly 600 people who showed up for LutN in L.A., though we conservatively expected at least twice that (and facebook calcluations lead us to expect nearly 3x that).

It was likely not as cold in L.A. as other areas of the country. And there were at least 3 other LutN events within a 20-mile radius. But whether Christmastime was responsible, or general apathy, or the event wasn't "angry" enough ... I confess to being a little disappointed in the turnout.

We did get some great local press and TV coverage. And that was very nice and needed.


Ok, so not that I want any of this to happen, but perhaps it would motivate people if police beat the crap out of us, or the national guard turned the hoses on us. I'm not blaming anyone for being too complacent. Human nature is a given. I can't see how the general anger over Prop 8 can continue once people's lives get back to normal.

And let's face it - - losing the right to marry is not the most tragic or pressing thing in most gay people's lives nowadays. We're very fortunate, in fact, to be fighing for this "end-state" equal right ... near the end of a very long line stretching back centuries. But while many in the U.S. can still lose their jobs, while many in the world can still be tortured and executed ... it's obvious to me why folks are less riled up about marriage rights.

I hope they will come to realize or will be reinvigorated with the realization that it's akin to crossing the goal line, the official and legal acceptance and equality of homosexuality that our forebears could barely dream of. (Our foretwinks barely dreamt of it either).

Here in L.A., I'm doing all I can to help build the movement, and reinvigorate it. But the harsh truth is we may have to do more with less.
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GailWise
GailWise
35. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 27 2008, 4:57 PM EST | Post edited: Dec 27 2008, 4:57 PM EST
On doing more with less...

I'm in LA, too. My feeling is that the work begins now. It was bound to happen sometime.

Re marriage rights, I think Californians have actually been quite fired up about them (better late than never). It sounds to me like LA might have had the biggest turnout this time around. San Diego has been awesome. San Francisco has done its part. And how amazing were all the little demonstrations all around the state in less friendly areas.

My wife said to me that revolutions happen in times of rising expectations. I think that's true. People are holding meetings and organizing all around this city. I know because I've gone to meetings of about five or six different groups, large and small, and I keep learning of new groups that are doing great things. I am humbled by the dedication. It's fantastic.

I think LUTN LA was surprisingly effective and I think the organizers should be proud. I know there's a rush and feeling of power that comes from seeing 10,000 people in the streets weekend after weekend. But that's unsustainable and not always appropriate. Sometimes one person holding a candle on a street corner or two lesbians kissing in a shopping mall can be extremely effective. And then there's always talking to and educating family and friends. Or doing creative things that get press coverage. Or, in the case of Warren, bombarding Obama's office with emails turned out to be incredibly effective.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is don't be discouraged, just keep working at it. I think we're doing great. But from here on, it's going to take more discipline and be more about persistence and hard work. If we keep going, the rewards will be great. I am in this for the long haul.

Be fierce!
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lanpuen
lanpuen
36. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 28 2008, 2:39 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2008, 2:39 AM EST
"On doing more with less...

I'm in LA, too. My feeling is that the work begins now. It was bound to happen sometime.

Re marriage rights, I think Californians have actually been quite fired up about them (better late than never). It sounds to me like LA might have had the biggest turnout this time around. San Diego has been awesome. San Francisco has done its part. And how amazing were all the little demonstrations all around the state in less friendly areas.

My wife said to me that revolutions happen in times of rising expectations. I think that's true. People are holding meetings and organizing all around this city. I know because I've gone to meetings of about five or six different groups, large and small, and I keep learning of new groups that are doing great things. I am humbled by the dedication. It's fantastic.

I think LUTN LA was surprisingly effective and I think the organizers should be proud. I know there's a rush and feeling of power that comes from seeing 10,000 people in the streets weekend after weekend. But that's unsustainable and not always appropriate. Sometimes one person holding a candle on a street corner or two lesbians kissing in a shopping mall can be extremely effective. And then there's always talking to and educating family and friends. Or doing creative things that get press coverage. Or, in the case of Warren, bombarding Obama's office with emails turned out to be incredibly effective.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is don't be discouraged, just keep working at it. I think we're doing great. But from here on, it's going to take more discipline and be more about persistence and hard work. If we keep going, the rewards will be great. I am in this for the long haul.

Be fierce! "
I totally agree with you. Never give up. The Candle night is not a very successful event, but it doesn't mean we will stop. We should look and learn how to make it more effective.

I will posted and pasted all around Boston and I called and email my friends. We have to make it happen as huge as we can. I know that even one person can send messages across. But the more people we have, the louder and wider our messages will be seen and heard.
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OliveRAWR
OliveRAWR
37. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 28 2008, 3:40 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2008, 3:40 AM EST
I'm sorry! Westlake center, Seattle. Okay, I really wanted to go! I had it planned forever! But my mum wouldn't let me because of the storm. Ughh. But if it wouldn't have kept snowing she would have took me.

(I know I sound like a child, whatever.)
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ld1266
38. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 28 2008, 10:05 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 28 2008, 10:05 AM EST
"re: seattle i can only speak for my partner and myself. we were out seeing my cousin's christmas play which started about 3:30 when snow started to fall. we had gone out and purchased battery lights and candles that were in the car ready to go. when we got out of the play at 4:30 it was clear to both of us that being out another 3 or 4 hours given the accumulation was not going to be safe. maybe if we'd been driving an SUV we could have gotten to one of the sites, but even hours before the event was to begin we were slipping and sliding in our sub-compact.

i've lived almost 30 years here and can't remember ever seeing this kind of accumulation, sticking around for this long, especially in the roads. usually its just cold enough for snow to fall and the roads never get past the slushy-and-wet stage. i'm sure we weren't the only people who've spent most of the past week snowed in and who were not prepared to be out in it on saturday.

i echo the posters who have questioned holding an outdoor event this late in the year, and this close to the holidays. not that we could have necessarily predicted this storm in advance, but it might be a good idea to create some kind of backup plan or second staging area -- like an indoor mall -- where at the very least we could stay out of the cold once we made it there. "
from pennsylvania we got a lot of snow in a very short amount of time and not even the interstate was being plowed so my partner and I decided it would be best not to chance it and just stay in I have to agree that these things will happen especially when you live in the Northeast if it isnt the snow it can be the bitter temeratures. Another problem that i think is a barrier is once a facebook page is made no one puts any further info here on JTI and I can only speak for myself but, for those of us over 40 we sometimes dont quite understand how to get the info from facebook :-)
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ozoozol
ozoozol
39. RE: What HAPPENED???
Dec 31 2008, 1:33 AM EST | Post edited: Dec 31 2008, 1:33 AM EST
Violet and I were planning to attend the UVillage event rather than the Westlake one, so we wouldn't have added numbers to your group even without the storm, but maybe I can help to clarify it for you.

I'm from southern California. I've been on the streets since before the election, and have attended every possible local event since then. Violet's joined me when she's been able to, and we were both really looking forward to standing vigil in Seattle.

However, it was, frankly, unwise for us to hit either location by the time LUTN was to start, given the snowfall that had already accumulated, the poor visibility, my limited experience driving on anything other than dust, and the rest of the night's forecast. Not only would we have been risking our own lives, but the lives of others on the roads who were willing or forced to risk theirs.

As a side note, we made reservations for the holidays at a place out of town several months ago, before the election, long before LUTN was announced. Our vacation was supposed to start on the 20th. We delayed our departure in order to attend the event. Because we delayed our departure, even though we were unable to make it to UVillage, we weren't able to take advantage of our pre-paid reservation until the 23rd.

Add to that Violet's compromised ability to regulate her body temperature (a side effect for her of chemotherapy a few years ago), and I do take exception to the implication that our failure to appear was a decision made lightly.

All the same, we can both understand and empathize with your frustration. We've been encountering some of the same sort of apathy in California, too, so I can see where you're coming from. I simply feel that in this case, on this night, perhaps more slack was warranted than you seem to be willing to grant.
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