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queenralph
DOMA - the only game in town
Feb 25 2009, 10:37 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 10:37 PM EST
Since the passage of Prop 8, I have lost interest or faith in any effort to gain marriage rights state by state. I am convinced, as are a number of my activist friends, that the best place for us to put our energy is in reforming DOMA. President Obama clearly stated on his website, before the election that he would amend DOMA to give all recognized unions federal rights. This is what we need, this will make the difference for all gays and lesbians in all 50 states. I've decided not to give a penny more or a minute more of my time to any organization that doesn't make this their priority. We have sponsors in the House and Senate and a president that will sign. This MUST be done before mid-term elections or we risk a backlash vote that destroys our majority vote in Congress. I urge you to put the reform of DOMA at the very top of your to-do list. That's where it's at - that's where I'm at! - Queenralph 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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ld1266
1. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Feb 26 2009, 2:51 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 2:51 PM EST
thats what i cant understand is why we arent putting more pressures on the federal gov. to make changes I mean nothing wrong with state by state things but for hate crimes, civil unions, stuff like that we need to go after the big fish before it's too late and we lose our voice again at the federal level 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Griznut3030
Griznut3030
2. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Feb 27 2009, 1:23 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 1:23 PM EST
I agree with queenRalph. I printed a copy of "prop 8 hurt my family, ask me how" and I will give it to each of my US senators. I will also include a letter asking for them to do everything in their power to repeal DOMA & that no more discrimination is inserted in our constitution. This has to be a federal fight, simply because there are to many red states that will continue to pass one man one woman marriage legislation. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

DebNmass
3. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Feb 27 2009, 2:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 2:32 PM EST
On the other hand, the more states that recognize marriage equality, the more momentum to overturn the federal DOMA. Right now it's pretty easy for the federal governement to ignore same-sex married couples in two small New England states (which the red states can claim are liberal and unrepresentative of the majority of the country). But if 30-50% of the states issued marriage licenses that the federal government was ignoring, the case becomes a more substantial issues. Not that that should be required before equality is achieved, but Washington is good at ignoring controversial issues it doesn't absolutely have to deal with. So I think we need to keep working on both the state and federal level. There's a theory about the tipping point: only when enough states have approved marriage equality will the federal government act and secure the right nation-wide, forcing the red states to comply. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
reddragon696
reddragon696
4. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Mar 1 2009, 4:02 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 4:02 AM EST
"Since the passage of Prop 8, I have lost interest or faith in any effort to gain marriage rights state by state. I am convinced, as are a number of my activist friends, that the best place for us to put our energy is in reforming DOMA. President Obama clearly stated on his website, before the election that he would amend DOMA to give all recognized unions federal rights. This is what we need, this will make the difference for all gays and lesbians in all 50 states. I've decided not to give a penny more or a minute more of my time to any organization that doesn't make this their priority. We have sponsors in the House and Senate and a president that will sign. This MUST be done before mid-term elections or we risk a backlash vote that destroys our majority vote in Congress. I urge you to put the reform of DOMA at the very top of your to-do list. That's where it's at - that's where I'm at! - Queenralph"
There is no real guarantee that President Obama will sign such a law if it reaches his desk. He has already backtracked on several issues he said he would change if we just gave him the chance. I really hope that he would sign a repeal of DOMA but with every promise he goes back on I become more convinced that he is just another politician that will say whatever it takes to get elected. I will, of course, hold out hope since his presidency is still so young and he can still make good on promises he made even if they go against the 'Status Quo'.
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Night_Sky
Night_Sky
5. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Mar 1 2009, 4:51 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 4:51 AM EST
I know Obama doesn't fully support us but a federal hate crimes law is an absolute necessity. I highly doubt he would fail to sign that into law. If he did, it would look really bad. I'm all for putting pressure on him and getting federal rights. Like someone else mentioned, we may not have much time (who knows if the country will go bonkers again and elect someone like Bush). 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
atmasilver
atmasilver
6. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Mar 1 2009, 10:27 AM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 10:27 AM EST
Why have you and your friends come to this conclusion, queenralph?

I tend to lean against federal efforts and toward state-by-state efforts because I think the changes in laws and attitudes will be more lasting. Who's to say if DOMA is repealed, it can't be passed again in one fell swoop? However I think President Obama's campaign pledges around the Defense of Marriage Act are encouraging. I favor going after opportunities like this. I would point out there are also opportunities state-by-state.
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queenralph
7. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Mar 1 2009, 12:59 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 12:59 PM EST
Quite right, there are no guarantees anywhere we turn. The fact is that President Obama made a very clear and direct statement on his platform website (under the Civil Rights sections) that he would sign into law a repeal of DOMA that recognizes legal unions (of any name). Going after DOMA really means not just making an assumption that he will carry out his ideal but bringing the legislation forward in collaboration with his office so that it is "signable". It's now or never, folks! 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

queenralph
8. RE: DOMA - the only game in town
Mar 1 2009, 1:10 PM EST | Post edited: Mar 1 2009, 1:10 PM EST
"Why have you and your friends come to this conclusion, queenralph?

I tend to lean against federal efforts and toward state-by-state efforts because I think the changes in laws and attitudes will be more lasting. Who's to say if DOMA is repealed, it can't be passed again in one fell swoop? However I think President Obama's campaign pledges around the Defense of Marriage Act are encouraging. I favor going after opportunities like this. I would point out there are also opportunities state-by-state."
State by state efforts have heavily favored our opposition. Each election cycle sees another state (red or blue) either removing rights (such as adoption) or repealing rights (such as marriage). If you look at the ratios of successes to failures and the enormous amounts of money and time we've all given to multitudes of organizations that are theoretically fighting on our behalf you see a resounding, collective failure. We need to put our efforts together nationally and make the repeal of DOMA happen or our goose is cooked!
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