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Casey773 |
Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 12 2009, 11:40 AM EDT
On national TV Tuesday morning, she cried about how "hateful" people are for speaking out against her anti-gay tirad. This is the new trend with them. When you call them out for the bigots they are, they are very clever to flip it around and play the victim. They try to frame it like people are attacking them and maybe someone will give them sympathy. What a BITCH!
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jaysays |
1. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 12 2009, 12:58 PM EDT
Yeah, well, she gets to keep the crown playing the victim card... Vanessa Williams lost the crown... Double standards suck. Do you find this valuable? |
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Goombah |
2. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 12 2009, 3:50 PM EDT
In the tradition of Anita Bryant.....here we go again!
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3. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 12 2009, 4:12 PM EDT
Whether or not she was going to keep the Miss California crown was supposed to be based on whether she was fulfilling her "obligations". Last night I heard she was turning down her M.C. obligations to keep up with NOM obligations. Well he bought the victim act and the surgical enhancements (and maybe a really really personal appearance ??) - and has given her another chance. She keeps the crown - so much for "natural" and "honest". 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
atmasilver |
4. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 12 2009, 9:40 PM EDT
"On national TV Tuesday morning, she cried about how "hateful" people are for speaking out against her anti-gay tirad. This is the new trend with them. When you call them out for the bigots they are, they are very clever to flip it around and play the victim. They try to frame it like people are attacking them and maybe someone will give them sympathy. What a BITCH!"I agree with her. People need to stop trying to censor one model's opinion and start focusing on RESPECTFULLY engaging people with whom they disagree. In the end, and this is close to the end, the powers that tried to attack and discredit her failed to knock her out before she was able to sink her teeth in. She gets to keep her crown and her reputation and portray herself as both a martyr and a defender of free speech. The era of being able to get away with reflexively tarring anyone who disagrees with gay rights as a homophobe is either over or close to over. People who try to do that will be counterattacked, and ultimately they will not get what they want. This is a good thing. 0 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the "victim" card
May 13 2009, 8:34 AM EDT
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As a solo person with an opinion, any person deserves respect for having opinions of her own. However...As a Californian, I am annoyed that this so-called "Miss California" is even still on any "radar screen", let alone being encouraged to shill for NOM under the guise of "representing her state". Let her do that on her own personal time, not as an alleged "representative of California". This under-educated, semi-articulate and clearly prejudiced person does NOT represent me, my family, or the vast majority of Californians whom *I* personally know - and it seems she seems is proud to be not doing so. As a Californian, I personally find THAT behavior offensive, aside from the fact that she also appears to be not an intellectual or even a fairly well-educated person. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Casey773 |
6. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the "victim" card
May 13 2009, 12:14 PM EDT
atmasilver, Are you a YES on 8 spy? You and Miss California need to understand that FREE SPEECH works both ways. Until I see someone duck tape her mouth shut, no ONE has censored her. I hope you don't carry large amounts of cash. The streets can be a scary place when you give the enemy all of this accomodation.
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atmasilver |
7. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the "victim" card
May 13 2009, 9:54 PM EDT
Well, someone is getting a little miffed at being disagreed with today. Now I know I'm onto something. Are you going to call me a bigoted Haggard/Dobson/Santorum next?Since you're so much in favor of free speech radical honesty, I think I'll take your advice and crow a bit. Face it, Casey: she won, and your position lost. I think it's long past time for you to re-evaluate your take no prisoners and never dialogue approach to this struggle.. It is target-blind, counterproductive, an inefficient use of energy, and most importantly the moderates and the opposition have learned to knock these verbal assaults out of the ballpark very soon after they begin. The streets can be a very scary place when you give "the enemy" all of this ammunition. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the "victim" card
May 13 2009, 10:12 PM EDT
Miss California could never be accused of being one of the sharp knives in a drawer. I'm guessing that her world news comes from her Mary Kay representative, along with cash register tabloids. Even if she accidentally verbally flatulate pure ignorance/biggotry the freedom of speech doesn't leave a mindless bag of protoplasma exempt. She said something that singled herself out as a target which will always be matched by the people she offends. Not doing that keeps her as sick as she is. Why deprive her of something even a nice set of tits and a crown deserves: an opportunity to grow.
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9. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 13 2009, 10:26 PM EDT
Bigots love to play the victim! My grandma was watch a Christian news programme today and it was complete bull! They spent the first 10-20 minutes of it talking about the homosexuals wanting to get married. (which pretty much ruined my cheesecake eating, but I digress) and then moved on to the less important issues of Medicare, war prisoners being tortured, and Christians being attacked in Saudi Arabia... and when I said 'Everyone's entitled to their opinion' (saying that the Christians had their right to their opinions, same as everyone else) my grandmother said on of the most hateful and untrue things I've ever heard come from her mouth "Not according to the athiests and homosexuals." I promptly set her straight and told her that homosexuals are just people, like herself and me (although, being bisexual, I kind of already fall into that category) and that, while some are like that (and the only ones who get mentioned on Christian news, go figure) not all are. She pretty much had ended the discussion with her comment, though, and I could tell that she didn't really want to hear what I was saying, nor did she want me to say it. As if that could stop me, I'm a defiant little brat! Always have been, by her standards. (I should be an upstanding, God-fearing, pillar in the Christian community, not a bisexual anime nerd who swears like a sailor)
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Goombah |
10. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 13 2009, 11:34 PM EDT
I have to give “The Donald” props for milking this non story to his advantage, a brilliant publicity stunt. Perez once again gets his name in the media spotlight; the news media has a diversion instead of reporting REAL NEWS and Miss Californiagets to play the victim with her crown intact and become the darling of the anti gay marriage crowd. The loser is the Gay Marriage debate that has been reduced to a sound bite. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 13 2009, 11:37 PM EDT
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"On national TV Tuesday morning, she cried about how "hateful" people are for speaking out against her anti-gay tirad. This is the new trend with them. When you call them out for the bigots they are, they are very clever to flip it around and play the victim. They try to frame it like people are attacking them and maybe someone will give them sympathy. What a BITCH!"BTW Casey let me ECHO Loud and clear that your “Take No Prisoners” approach is what helped to make the difference for gay rights at Stonewall. It certainly wasn’t a bunch of conservatives that sat in silence applauding Reagan during the aids epidemic. It was that passionate and angry ACT UP activists that took to the streets and demanded to be heard. I applaud people like you that are on the front lines doing something instead of talking. Being angry can be very constructive! 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Casey773 |
12. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 14 2009, 1:46 PM EDT
Sarah Palin just came out to support Prejean. The republicans are trying the "Democrat Socialists" line. The right-wing is coming together and will jump off the cliff together as well. Love it!
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Mr.Lobster |
13. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 15 2009, 5:11 PM EDT
You know what? I don't think Ms. California and much of the religious right realize that freedom of speech works two ways. Sure, they're allowed to call us affronts to god and nature, but when we call them bigoted f*cktards, then they're being "Oppressed"Give me a break, damn it. Sometimes, in a democracy, things don't go your way, because you're the minority, and more and more people reject your way of thinking. It's been that way for the last 8 years for us, now the right gets to take a turn. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
lynne33 |
14. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 15 2009, 8:30 PM EDT
I think all of the publicity over Miss California has been great for marriage equality. It seems to me that whenever people talk about gay marriage, no matter what they say about it, it helps us. Remember ten years ago when no one was even saying "gay marriage"? The more it's talked about, the more it's "normalized." All this talk about "redefining" marriage? It's already been 'redefined" in our language, because it's been talked about so much. Every time I turn on the TV and there's more "gay news," I chalk up a point for our side.And P.S., I think the reason the media won't let go of the story is because they love to have an excuse to show footage of sexy women in bikinis. That's always the background footage in the Miss California news stories, no matter how little it has to do with the actual discussions. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Casey773 |
15. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 16 2009, 1:03 AM EDT
I agree with Mr. Lobster and lynne33. First, the right-wing, anti-gay, you know who I mean, got so used to oppressing us and getting their homophobic endorsement from the Whitehouse, now that they lost that power, they are playing the victim. The example is when we call a homophobe a bigot, we get called hateful for "attacking" their opinion. This is called the spaghetti strategy. They are DESPERATE as hell these days so they will throw anything out they can to see if it sticks. The more the word "gay" and "marriage" are spoken in the same sentence, even though much of it is negative, it does create a sense of familiarity and that gets people more comfortable with it through the back door. If that makes sense.
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16. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 16 2009, 3:56 AM EDT
Good point. Did you hear the latest news? Something like 42% of the US now support some kind of benefits for same-sex couples according to The NY Times. Polls aren't very accurate but it can give us a sense of things to come. It's like that politician's daughter said to the anti same-sex marriage politicians, "You don't get it, do you? You've already lost. My generation doesn't care."
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atmasilver |
17. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 16 2009, 8:14 AM EDT
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lynne33 I might be with you but the naughty pictures didn't come out immediately.I believe our movement takes a serious reputation hit when we turn someone from a dumb celebrity to a martyr. But you are saying our cause benefits from increased publicity and people talking about it? Difficult to argue with that. It doesn't really matter who leads things forward, as long as someone does. As more and more people in this country start supporting gay marriage, perhaps our movement will gain the diversity needed to carry us to a point where we have enough support to win it. I think the best way to figure it out is to look at the history of a similar issue. Question is, is the most similar issue segregation, or abortion? Either way, there is a point where the movement's progress stops. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 17 2009, 4:20 PM EDT
atmasilver: No, she did not come out of this with her reputation in tact. No one in their right mind that wants to make money (and that is really what it's about) will sign her on to endorce their product or service, due to all the negative puplicity that has now been attatched to her name.ln addition this cannot all be blamed on her Antigay views either.She has failed to uphold her end of the contract of which she had signed. Personally, I feel, she should never have been asked that question in the first place. No matter what her responce , she was in trouble.Unless she could think quick enough (and remember, these lady's are not there due to their brains ) and requested to not answer the question because ,in that case,there would be no right anwer.The only reputation or contract that she will come out of this with is,with NOM. That is it.
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atmasilver |
19. RE: Miss California Prejean plays the victim card
May 17 2009, 9:03 PM EDT
"atmasilver: No, she did not come out of this with her reputation in tact. No one in their right mind that wants to make money (and that is really what it's about) will sign her on to endorce their product or service, due to all the negative puplicity that has now been attatched to her name.ln addition this cannot all be blamed on her Antigay views either.She has failed to uphold her end of the contract of which she had signed. Personally, I feel, she should never have been asked that question in the first place. No matter what her responce , she was in trouble.Unless she could think quick enough (and remember, these lady's are not there due to their brains ) and requested to not answer the question because ,in that case,there would be no right anwer.The only reputation or contract that she will come out of this with is,with NOM. That is it. "I think you are ignoring the positive publicity that has come her way for, as they say, standing up for freedom of speech, not to mention "family values." But we shall see. Do you find this valuable? |
